7 killed , 3 hurt in motorcycle-truck accident in Randolph NH

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Hard to tell exactly what happened from the pictures I've seen of the accident scene, but the truck that hit them was a Dodge Ram with a relatively large 5th wheel style flatbed trailer behind it. The road there looked pretty flat - so I find it hard to see how this could have been a case of him say coming down a steep slope and losing the brakes or something like that. Pure speculation on my part: but a lot of guys who drive those sorts of rigs - big diesel pickup with a long flatbed behind them - are "hotshot" truckers - and are always looking to make time. So the guy might have been just going too damn fast and talking on the cell or something.

What is Hot Shot Trucking and is it for you? - FR8Star
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Two people killed on 106 in Canterbury, NH as well today...so many accidents have the statement that one of the vehicles involved “drifted into the oncoming lane”. I’m not going to speculate on this accident in Randolph but it sure sounds like the same situation.

People are just shitty drivers anymore. I was heading to a friend’s house for dinner tonight on my motorcycle in downtown Concord and two van loads of college age girls pulled a U turn right in front of me....total idiots. Totally oblivious to anyone other than themselves.

I’m seriously considering getting one of these: Denali Soundbomb Compact Air Horn - RevZilla
Decreasing driver skills is a real problem and set to get worse as more and more tech is built into cars that suggests to drivers that they dont need to focus on control of the vehicle and surroundings
 
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Should we rename this thread the "I dont know a single fact for sure, but let's speculate wildly and assign blame"?
I find it hard to believe that an ENTIRE column of motorcycles was on the wrong side of the road. And the truck that crashed into them went off the road and was burning on................ the wrong side of the road.

Make of that what you will.

I know what I make of it.
 
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Pure speculation :
A common tactic when riding in a group is to use one of the bikes as a block when crossing oncoming traffic, like taking a left into some place, like say a hotel or a b&b (like the one they were staying at just up the road).
Reading the article, the truck was coming the opposite direction.
If they were blocking, and the truck didn't see them, he could have caught a good number of them during the initial hit and a few others as bikes were sliding around.
Still, seven seems like a lot unless they were riding with passengers.
Re reading the article, I see six motorcycles mentioned which lends itself to passengers.

I didn't know about the trailer before this thread, so that brings in the additional weight, speed, and inability to stop that someone else mentioned.
 

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No sooner do I get through reading the updates in this thread, when I look at the pager and find multiple motorcycle accidents, all within the last two hours. One in Plymouth NH, one on I-293 in Manchester, and one in Boston involving two BPD M/C units.
 

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I find it hard to believe that an ENTIRE column of motorcycles was on the wrong side of the road. And the truck that crashed into the went off the road and was burning on................ the wrong side of the road.

Make of that what you will.

I know what I make of it.

They probably weren't on the wrong side of the road, but both parties were likely hugging the middle. Not saying that's what happened, but I see it every day.

People hug or ride on the dividing lines these days. And before someone chimes in and assumes texting, no. It's all types. Old, young, male, female, bikes, cars, pick-ups, and even big rigs of all kinds. And most are not on a phone.

I see it every day, and that's just driving back and forth from Methuen to Dracut.

It's ridiculous just how bad and careless people are today.

And cops do nothing. Yes, they go after the low hanging fruit of speeders, but there are so many far more dangerous things idiots are doing today with their vehicles and cops do nothing. They could be issuing reckless driving citations, but no.
 

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It's been a bad year for motorcycle fatalities.
I got pager alerts on both of the above incidents, but the one in Randolph turned out to be much worse than what the message text specified.

There was a double fatal in the O'Neil Tunnel two weeks ago (two bikes), it was on the news, but what you saw and heard from the local MSM outlets was a sanitized account.
Granted they were morons doing 80+, and maybe drunk too, but it was a nasty, gruesome scene, with dismemberment.
Someone just happened to get cell phone video of the scene within moments of the crash, and forwarded it to people in my industry, and it finally made its way to me a few days ago. I'll post the video link below if anyone wants to see it. I'm sure MassDot has some great footage of it too, but they won't release the nasty stuff without a FOIA request.

Those railings inside the tunnel have claimed MANY lives since the Big Dig was finished, one on the very first week it opened. Mostly bikes, but people in cars have also been killed by them in rollover accidents.
If any ambulance chaser lawyer want a chance to score big, seek out the families of the deceased accident victims and file a lawsuit against the state, DOT, contractors, architects, inspectors, everyone down the line. Those railings don't need to be there. They are in place to keep someone on the elevated walkway from falling into traffic, but realistically, they are only useful to some DOT employee once in a blue moon. Also the railings are only in front of the doors, which basically go nowhere, or open to the opposite traveling lanes. If OSHA or some other agency mandates the railings be there, then that may be part of the problem too.
The quick fix would be to remove all the railings, but if some law specifies they must be in place, replace them with some kind of breakaway type, no stronger than needed for it's intent, which is to stop a 250 lb person at walking speed. (250 figure estimated knowing that the specific persons would be state employees) It doesn't need to stop anyone traveling over 10 mph.

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPjjVs2BWvPvDf5JpPyIclCLz1b7P4Xgs8RJYbuYk0Cv239yBIi0B0evt0Cmr2l5A/photo/AF1QipM9nevmoeruaZC6nHx28dXQAHTv3oHCJykgJE1y?key=d2xXXzlqWU82cHp2d2pSOHc4dVVQS1VPWmZfUXB3
I saw that video via a friend, the railings did cause major damage.

I won't go thru that tunnel on 2 wheels, I get off and do surface roads.

A MSP Motorcycle Officer from Wakefield was one of the first victims of that railing design. A survivable accident if not for the railings.
 

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Terrible, terrible thing. Rest in peace, all.

I'm riding to Texas in two weeks, then on to Montana, rode cross country last May. Distracted drivers are my worst fear. I really don't like riding in groups although this could have just as easily happened with a single bike, in a group I feel as though you are surrendering some control, but that's just me.

Sincere condolences to their families and friends.
 

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What an awful situation. Lots of speculation here but none of it changes the outcome. Like jason19711971 my bikes do not have a motor. But riding a bicycle along the side of the road unquestionably has become the most dangerous thing I do. It has gotten really bad in recent years probably due to distracted driving. I have had some really close shaves and consequently just don’t ride as much as I use to. I try to use the local bike path on weekdays because weekends are so crowded, but the bike path is not exactly safe either.

It has gotten to the point that when I am out on a bike ride I never call my wife on my cell phone. As soon as she sees the caller ID she freaks out and figures I have had an accident.

Deepest sympathy to all involved in this awful tragedy.
 

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Hard to tell exactly what happened from the pictures I've seen of the accident scene, but the truck that hit them was a Dodge Ram with a relatively large 5th wheel style flatbed trailer behind it. The road there looked pretty flat - so I find it hard to see how this could have been a case of him say coming down a steep slope and losing the brakes or something like that. Pure speculation on my part: but a lot of guys who drive those sorts of rigs - big diesel pickup with a long flatbed behind them - are "hotshot" truckers - and are always looking to make time. So the guy might have been just going too damn fast and talking on the cell or something.

What is Hot Shot Trucking and is it for you? - FR8Star
And you sir win the biggest idiot remark of the day award.

It is a sad day for sure for many, RIP
 

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And the 4PM briefing certainly indicated that they are closely examining the driver of the truck. They identified him, the firm he drives for and specifically asked the public for any information or videos of the truck driver prior to the crash. Although they are not coming right out and stating he is at fault, the hints are absolutely thunderous.
 
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I'm a little surprised at this thread. Its been an hour since the drivers name was released and nobody has questioned his citizenship status yet?!?
 

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And the 4PM briefing certainly indicated that they are closely examining the driver of the truck. They identified him, the firm he drives for and specifically asked the public for any information or videos of the truck driver prior to the crash. Although they are not coming right out and stating he is at fault, the hints are absolutely thunderous.
All the crashed bikes are on the correct side of the road.

Unless the truck had a mechanical issue that caused it to lose control, it is 100% the drivers fault.

But, in todays world, an ambulance chaser can probably sue the truck manufacturer, the cellphone company, the service provider, the motorcycle companies for not providing more protection, the helmet manufacturers, DOT (because DOT standards for helmets are pure sh*t) ...
 

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I'm a little surprised at this thread. Its been an hour since the drivers name was released and nobody has questioned his citizenship status yet?!?
You are, I presume, speaking of:

Volodoymyr Zhukovskyy, 23, of West Springfield, Massachusetts
Regardless, obligatory Ma**h*** comments hereby incorporated by reference.
 

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What an awful situation. Lots of speculation here but none of it changes the outcome. Like jason19711971 my bikes do not have a motor. But riding a bicycle along the side of the road unquestionably has become the most dangerous thing I do. It has gotten really bad in recent years probably due to distracted driving. I have had some really close shaves and consequently just don’t ride as much as I use to. I try to use the local bike path on weekdays because weekends are so crowded, but the bike path is not exactly safe either.

It has gotten to the point that when I am out on a bike ride I never call my wife on my cell phone. As soon as she sees the caller ID she freaks out and figures I have had an accident.

Deepest sympathy to all involved in this awful tragedy.
I also ride on the roads, non motor. I put a flashing white beacon on the front and the red one on the back, I wear day glow Jerseys. I tell people that if I get whacked it’ll be from the front, not behind. From behind you’ll get pushed in the direction you’re traveling in, most likely onto the shoulder and not into incoming traffic. The close calls are people pulling out from a side street or making a left across traffic, it’s worse when you’re going downhill. Sometimes you can see them freeze at the last moment when they see you.

I have been in the car insurance biz for 25 years, the number of accidents has definitely increased. When a client calls and says little Suzy got into an accident I don’t even have to ask, it’s an IV RE OV (Insured Vehicle Rear Ended Other Vehicle), usually when they’re stopped at a signal.

Had a dad call about His kid who made a left at a traffic light, motorcycle coming the opposite direction skidded out to avoid, guy got taken away in an ambulance, survived. Kid got a ticket for distracted driving, there was a cop at the intersection. Father swore up and down kid was using GPS on his phone. I tried to be as polite as I could but this jackass wouldn’t stop, hired a lawyer to represent kid to fight ticket. Finally after the umpteenth phone conversation with the guy, after the kid got surcharged and he couldn’t understand why, I told him that if his kid needs GPS on the main road less than a mile from the house perhaps he shouldn’t be driving. I don’t need clients like that.
 
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And the 4PM briefing certainly indicated that they are closely examining the driver of the truck. They identified him, the firm he drives for and specifically asked the public for any information or videos of the truck driver prior to the crash. Although they are not coming right out and stating he is at fault, the hints are absolutely thunderous.
One of the stories I read said it was a 2500 series Dodge Ram, and the trailer appears to be one of these:

Two Car-Truck Gooseneck Trailer - by Kaufman Trailers
G.V.W.R. 14,000 lb.
Deck Length 35 ft. 6 in. (24 ft. flat + 11 ft. 6 in. dove)

I can't quite make it out in the pic, but it looks like the truck has MA plates and they may be commercial plates.

I know the laws vary some state to state, but I thought that towing an equipment trailer over 10k - means you need a commercial license. Typically trailers like that are used for hauling cars - for business purposes, and that puts you into commercial license territory as well.
 

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Terrible, terrible thing. Rest in peace, all.

I'm riding to Texas in two weeks, then on to Montana, rode cross country last May. Distracted drivers are my worst fear. I really don't like riding in groups although this could have just as easily happened with a single bike, in a group I feel as though you are surrendering some control, but that's just me.

Sincere condolences to their families and friends.
I never got the whole group ride thing. I've been riding since the 70s and I've logged a few miles and I've never had the urge to hook up with a bunch of other bikes. I like to set my own pace and keep my own distance from other traffic.
Say it wasn't motorcycles. I drive a Chevy Silverado. Imagine if me and 30 other Silverado drivers got together and drove around in a clump on a Saturday morning? It would seem pretty weird.
 
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I also ride on the roads, non motor. I put a flashing white beacon on the front and the red one on the back, I wear day glow Jerseys. I tell people that if I get whacked it’ll be from the front, not behind. From behind you’ll get pushed in the direction you’re traveling in, most likely onto the shoulder and not into incoming traffic. The close calls are people pulling out from a side street or making a left across traffic, it’s worse when you’re going downhill. Sometimes you can see them freeze at the last moment when they see you.

I have been in the car insurance biz for 25 years, the number of accidents has definitely increased. When a client calls and says little Suzy got into an accident I don’t even have to ask, it’s an IV RE OV (Insured Vehicle Rear Ended Other Vehicle), usually when they’re stopped at a signal.

Had a dad call about His kid who made a left at a traffic light, motorcycle coming the opposite direction skidded out to avoid, guy got taken away in an ambulance, survived. Kid got a ticket for distracted driving, there was a cop at the intersection. Father swore up and down kid was using GPS on his phone. I tried to be as polite as I could but this jackass wouldn’t stop, hired a lawyer to represent kid to fight ticket. Finally after the umpteenth phone conversation with the guy, after the kid got surcharged and he couldn’t understand why, I told him that if his kid needs GPS on the main road less than a mile from the house perhaps he shouldn’t be driving. I don’t need clients like that.
Using your phone while driving should be treated like drunk driving. Maybe even more severely. At least the drunks are trying to look at the road.
 

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I have been in the car insurance biz for 25 years, the number of accidents has definitely increased. When a client calls and says little Suzy got into an accident I don’t even have to ask, it’s an IV RE OV (Insured Vehicle Rear Ended Other Vehicle), usually when they’re stopped at a signal.
Funny. My last two accidents - years apart - were women rear-ending me while stopped: one at a light, the second at a stop sign. The former almost ended in a court battle: she was driving estranged hubby's ride, and there were questions as to whether she "had permission" to do so. Me: don't care - it's your insured vehicle. Take that up with your customer. Insurer didn't want to pay.
 
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