50 year old charge

[nstassel]

Here's a cute situation. A guy had owned guns and had an ltc for decades. He tried to buy a long gun and gets declined. Shortly the friendly police are revoking his ltc and tell him he's a prohibited person to the FBI. He had an assault and battery in 1964 which he thinks was dismissed for 50 bucks.

I located the case docket. The relevant portion is attached. Half the people that look at it think its a "G" and the other half think its a "D". I'll have to see if a judge can be convinced it's a D.

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[Beretta92FS]

Looks like a "D" to me.

 

[GaryO]

I would say D. What's the other abbreviation, MD or MG?

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[Frizzle Fry]

I would say D. What's the other abbreviation, MD or MG?

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This. Should be easy enough to prove based on that.

 

[nstassel]

I think MD is motion to dismiss. I also think NRA stands for the clerk's initials. The squiggle underneath is indication the money was paid. But theres also a little loop on the top of the letter that looks a bit like a G.

 

[bigpick]

Looks like a D not a G

 

[Frizzle Fry]

I think MD is motion to dismiss. I also think NRA stands for the clerk's initials. The squiggle underneath is indication the money was paid. But theres also a little loop on the top of the letter that looks a bit like a G.

"MG" = "Man is Guilty" duh I know a lot about the law (sincerely, Mad Maura)

 

[Glockster30]

If it were a G, what would the G stand for? Has to be a D; too strange looking for a G.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Here's a cute situation. A guy had owned guns and had an ltc for decades. He tried to buy a long gun and gets declined. Shortly the friendly police are revoking his ltc and tell him he's a prohibited person to the FBI. He had an assault and battery in 1964 which he thinks was dismissed for 50 bucks.

I located the case docket. The relevant portion is attached. Half the people that look at it think its a "G" and the other half think its a "D". I'll have to see if a judge can be convinced it's a D.

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He needs the Docket Sheet from the clerk's office, NOT a copy of the ledger sheet. No PD is going to change the outcome based on that page.

 

[nstassel]

In cases that old that's all there is. That is the docket sheet back from those cases. In fact the ledger book is the book in which you locate the defendant by name and then find the docket number. I had to find him in the ledgers first.

 

[greencobra]

looks like a bastardized old school cursive d.

 

[nstassel]

That's what I'm hoping a judge sees based on the guy's affidavit of what happened.

 

[Glockster30]

That's what I'm hoping a judge sees based on the guy's affidavit of what happened.

Again, if a G, what would it stand for?

 

[76Too]

Upper case S?

I honestly can't even believe this is real...this ****ing state is out of control. 1964...the guys lived his entire life since then...don't they think he'd have committed some other offense since then...or do they think he's been planning this whole time?

 

[nstassel]

A G would be a guilty. That's bad.

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[Glockster30]

It's still a strange looking G. Convince the judge it's a screwed up A for acquittal.

 

[Len-2A Training]

In cases that old that's all there is. That is the docket sheet back from those cases. In fact the ledger book is the book in which you locate the defendant by name and then find the docket number. I had to find him in the ledgers first.

Sorry I don't agree that that is the docket sheet. Every docket sheet that I've seen (and some go back 30-40 yrs) has the person's name, SSN, DOB, description of charges, etc. and hand-written resolution of the case. It's not a ledger book. I've used those ledger books to look up a case then give the docket number to a clerk to get me the dusty folder with the real docket sheet and any other info on the case.

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Upper case S?

I honestly can't even believe this is real...this ****ing state is out of control. 1964...the guys lived his entire life since then...don't they think he'd have committed some other offense since then...or do they think he's been planning this whole time?

MGL change in 1998 looks back to the day you were born and DQ'd thousands of people based on ancient charges/convictions.

 

[nstassel]

That's only a portion of the docket. I edited it to remove all they other info. That's just the disposition.

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[CCW]

Here's a cute situation. A guy had owned guns and had an ltc for decades. He tried to buy a long gun and gets declined. Shortly the friendly police are revoking his ltc and tell him he's a prohibited person to the FBI. He had an assault and battery in 1964 which he thinks was dismissed for 50 bucks.

I located the case docket. The relevant portion is attached. Half the people that look at it think its a "G" and the other half think its a "D". I'll have to see if a judge can be convinced it's a D.

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And....by contrast

http://wareham.wickedlocal.com/article/20120401/NEWS/304019712

 

[76Too]

MGL change in 1998 looks back to the day you were born and DQ'd thousands of people based on ancient charges/convictions.

No, I know...it just makes me sad. I just wish I could be proud to live in the state with the American Revolution began...not so much.

 

[GaryO]

Maybe a G would help.

 

[76Too]

And....by contrast

http://wareham.wickedlocal.com/article/20120401/NEWS/304019712

unreal.

we literally have to be squeaky clean to carry in this state, and we're still the enemy somehow.

I honestly can't believe I'm still among the 'blessed' that are allowed to defend themselves in this worthless state.

 

[Glockster30]

That's only a portion of the docket. I edited it to remove all they other info. That's just the disposition.

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Have a hand writing expert look at it, although I would think that the expert would have to see more letters than one written by the same person.

 

[PaulR]

Wow. 1964. And I thought our office had old records. Damn.

 

[Cuz]

Whatever it is, it's the same letter as what's written after the "M" in the 2nd column so if that's an "MD" then its also a D. If it's an "MG", then it's a G.
But, personally, it looks pretty clearly to be a "D".



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[cockpitbob]

Hmm, now I know the Constitution prohibits both the Feds and States from enacting laws that retroactively increase the punishment for a crime that happened before the law was written (prohibition on ex post facto laws in Article-1 Sections 9 & 10). So, how could we be having these discussions about people losing their rights decades after the deed? Hmmm.

 

[MisterHappy]

Hmm, now I know the Constitution prohibits both the Feds and States from enacting laws that retroactively increase the punishment for a crime that happened before the law was written (prohibition on ex post facto laws in Article-1 Sections 9 & 10). So, how could we be having these discussions about people losing their rights decades after the deed? Hmmm.

Because losing an LTC is not punishment.

 

[mjbff]

D just like the way the nuns taught years ago

 

[browncoat]

If it were a G the left side of the letter would be different.....it would not have been started from lower left corner

Cursive G starts there. Doesn't look like a G to me even so. The way I learned cursive, a capital D actually starts upper left and goes down

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[DW357]

Upper case S?

I honestly can't even believe this is real...this ****ing state is out of control. 1964...the guys lived his entire life since then...don't they think he'd have committed some other offense since then...or do they think he's been planning this whole time?

Agreed, absolutely insane.