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.32 carry ammo test

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I took the 1915 M14 Mauser and the 1943 Mauser HSc to the range today to test new carry loads. I had been carrying PPU JHP, but after some research I found that the round gave little to no expansion. I wanted a little more advanced load as a .32 is on the small side for a carry piece, so I tested I three different hollow point loads as old pistols (and new ones for that matter) can be picky about ammo.

1. Federal Premium Hydra Shok: 65gr JHP with post/950fps/128ft/lbs KE ($21.50/25 + shipping on line)
2. Speer GD-JHP: 65/960/123 ($28.35/25 box from LGS; $19.50 + shipping on line)
3. PPU JHP: 71/902/128

Control: PPU FMJ ball: 71/902/128. PPU ball and JHP have identical specs ($17.99/50 + shipping on line)

Started with the Federal, the (2) Speer, then the (3) PPU. M14 Mauser first, HSc second. M14 was flawless as usual (damn nice for almost 105 years old). One 8-round magazine each target, picture with pistols right. Next was the HSc; One FTF/stove pipe with the Speer, but shot well. I followed with three magazines of PPU ball, pictures with pistol left, again 1 8-round magazine/target. One double tap with the M14, and two with the HSc. The PPU ball was gifted to me (as was the federal), and as the FTF occurred in both pistols, I put that down to old ammo. As both the Speer and PPU ball stove piped from the same magazine, I put that down to the magazine and not the ammo. As such I will carry the M14 until I get another magazine to prove the hypothesis.

The HSc is more comfortable to shoot with the deep stock thumb groove. The M14 has huge sights and easy to see. The upgraded M34 Mauser changed to the deep groove grip from 1934-1940, then was superseded by the HSc.

Not tested was Hornady JHP XTP, 60/1000/133 ($16.50 + shipping on line). While researching .32 auto JHP on line, I came across .32 NAA. This is a necked down .380 with a .32 maximum cavitation round that looks like a square tipped socket piece. Sort of a "Super" .32. Not sure if compatible with my older pieces, but the 80 gr solid round rates 1000fps and 178 ft/lbs....which is .380 specs in a .32 round. The reviews of Hornady .25 JHP were exceptional with expansion from .45 to .50 inches. I can only assume .32 will be similar.

So for the nonce, my M14 is loaded with Federal ammo. When my shots pull right, I'm guilty of trigger finger placement. For the record, it was rapid fire, 25 feet, 49F, windy, and the targets were swinging on the line.

t

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That test didn't reveal any clues on expansion, I take it. Did you have anything behind the paper plates?
Those Lehigh Defense bullets are quite pricey and I have never used them in any of my reloads. The bullets alone are about 60¢ a pop. Actually, I don't have any reason to reload .32 ACP either, so I can't share any test data with you.
Underwood does offer the Extreme Defender 55g bullet in .32 ACP +P, fwiw.
The Inceptor ARX bullets are also somewhat unique, but I don't think they have anything in .32 caliber. I can say that the 60g PRN in a .380 ACP is very soft shooting, however.
I will say that I've always liked the looks of the HSc.
Enjoy!
 
I don't reload myself, either. I used the online research to determine expansion characteristics. Federal, Speer, and Hornady were good performers. PPU was not; performed like FMJ ball. So technically this was more of a function test between top expansion contenders. PPU FMJ was included as a baseline, as that had been my carry round for 10 years, The PPU ball was used as a control. I would have to rig up a second experiment for expansion by using some type of flesh-like target...cantaloupe, melon, or the like with a wood background.

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I don't reload myself, either. I used the online research to determine expansion characteristics. Federal, Speer, and Hornady were good performers. PPU was not; performed like FMJ ball. So technically this was more of a function test between top expansion contenders. PPU FMJ was included as a baseline, as that had been my carry round for 10 years, The PPU ball was used as a control. I would have to rig up a second experiment for expansion by using some type of flesh-like target...cantaloupe, melon, or the like with a wood background.

t

Water.

Barrel of water for expansion testing?

https://hipowersandhandguns.com/Expansion and Penetration.htm

This video is a bit annoying but demonstrates how water is a good medium for testing bullet expansion:

 
Haven't seen one in many years. My dad would get like 3 Sears catalogs on the same day and 2 or 3 MW catalogs, each with a slight variation on his first name. And a few would come to his wife (NMM) so we always had plenty of flesh simulation media.
The phone books out this way were pretty anemic. All of Berkshire County makes up 2% of the MA population.
 
Could you add one detail to you report? At what distance were you shooting?
 
Although another caliber entirely, I've been able to recover bullets fired through a water-filled plastic gallon milk jug backed with a box of newspapers.
The 185g Berry's Hybrid HP stopped right at the front of the box, after expanding just like advertised. 10mm projectiles (180g BHHP) were somewhat damaged as a petal or two generally broke off. Not all bullets were recovered and I didn't shoot but a few of each, so take that as you will. Berry'sHHP.jpg IMG_1138.JPG
 
Well, so much for my expansion test. Waterlogged readers digest, 10 layers of corrugated cardboard, and 2 - .5 inch pieces of hardwood. Federal, Speer, PPU JHP and ball; all went straight through. About 6 feet. Then 50 rounds PPU ball at 25 feet. Shows the difference of the trigger finger placement; finger pad, center; finger curl, pull low and right. 48F, overcast, no wind.

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32ACP Banned in Canada

"Dony worry about it man."
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Really? Parked the 1915 M14 Mauser and rotated to the 1915 M08 Colt .380. Was at a Walmart yesterday, and as advertised, not one single handgun round was available.

t
 
Well, so much for my expansion test... ..all went straight through.

So, I take it that not a single bullet was recovered?
Oh well, try again until you score, I guess.
Although I lent my .32 die set to a friend, you are welcome to come and roll some of your own .32 ACP, if you are ever down Foxwood's way.
I don't think I have much in the way of brass or bullets for that caliber, but bring what you have and we can improvise.
Cheers!
 
I didn’t go digging in the berm as I thought that would invalidate the test.

Now that Walmart no longer carries handgun ammo, I may have to think about reloading.

t
 
Interesting. I'd be curious to see what the Speer GD and the Federal HydraShok do in ballistic gel, as I have a Colt 1903. As the HydraShok is an older design, I'd expect the Gold Dot to outperform it... but that's just a guess, of course.

While researching .32 auto JHP on line, I came across .32 NAA. This is a necked down .380 with a .32 maximum cavitation round that looks like a square tipped socket piece. Sort of a "Super" .32. Not sure if compatible with my older pieces, but the 80 gr solid round rates 1000fps and 178 ft/lbs....which is .380 specs in a .32 round. The reviews of Hornady .25 JHP were exceptional with expansion from .45 to .50 inches. I can only assume .32 will be similar.

AFAIK, only NAA makes anything chambered in .32 NAA.
 
For those that do reload the .32 ACP, a local shop (near Foxwoods) has two boxes of virgin R-P brass. One is primed ($12), the other unprimed ($10). Prices are negotiable, I suspect. They were 100 count boxes, but I can't swear that each is 100% full
 
I have kept my .32 brass for a couple years now, but I don't know if I'll ever bother reloading that caliber. My only two guns in that flavor are a Colt 1903 made in 1911 and late war Mauser HSc. I rarely shoot them.

Those little hollowpoint .32 rounds will do their job though, if you do yours. (Put 'em in the T zone)
 
FWIW, I just stopped by M&B Sports (North Stonington, CT - near Foxwoods) and he has a pristine m1903 in the display case. It had a $1300 price tag which is out of my league, but it looks almost new. Since it's chambered in .32 ACP, I figured I'd throw this in here.
 
Took the 1903 Colt to the range for the same carry ammo test in honor of it's 100th birthday (November Actually). One magazine, 8 rounds of Speer, then PPU, and then Federal. 43F, windy, about 25 feet. Targets flapping in the breeze....Got the Speer off with the least wind, so it shot the best group. No feeding problems.

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