24 states urge Supreme Court to take up assault rifle ban case

[teaser452]

The AR is the text book definition of "common use". It's the most popular model firearm in the country. If that doesn't define common - then everything could be banned.

Your post made me look up how many ARs are in the US today. No definite numbers but found this article.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ry-style-ar-rifles-market-saturated/19836755/

In 2012, Slate.com crunched numbers from a variety of manufacturers, as well as federal statistics on background checks, and extrapolated that nearly 3.3 million AR-15s were in the country. But that was before Newtown and calls for bans, which drove sales through the roof.
In congressional testimony last year, the National Shooting Sports Foundationestimated assault-style weapons domestically in the range of 5 million to 8.2 million.


Even 8 million seems low to me. Everyone I know who owns a gun owns at least one ar. And many own multiple. One guy I know owns over 30. (He wants extra to pass out during the zombie invasion)

 

[Varmint]

They continue to pork you because you choose to remain a politically disenfranchised donor to the socialist dem machine by remaining in the state

Those of you that choose to remain is cesspools of tyranny like mass are the ones that are perpetuating whats happenening in that state

Leave mass and starve the tyrants of your tax dollars and soon enough only the donor class will remain

Find me a job in NH and I'll happily move. I'm not living in NH so i can pay Mass tax and inflated NH property tax.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

Until oppressive legislators and zealot judges hang beaten to death from lamp posts, this issue will NEVER go away.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Find me a job in NH and I'll happily move. I'm not living in NH so i can pay Mass tax and inflated NH property tax.

If you don't want to put in the effort to look for a job yourself, then stay. It's a choice you make and it is up to you to make it.

Also, NH property taxes are higher then MA, but not inflated. I came out ahead at the end of the first year after moving and doubling my property taxes.

 

[hv55maxx]

Find me a job in NH and I'll happily move. I'm not living in NH so i can pay Mass tax and inflated NH property tax.

Along with this and many other reasons, some people can't leave. If you treat symptoms sometimes you won't kill the disease that way. But then the disease spreads. Tis better to kill the disease.


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[NewGuyRay]

Wouldn't the recently decided New York State Rifle & Pistol Assoc. v. Cuomo from the 2nd Circuit be a better vehicle for getting an assault weapon ban before SCOTUS? Not only is the decision an abomination in its logic, it also moves towards bastardizing and redefining the intermediate scrutiny standard, and not just with impact on 2A cases.

 

[Hoover]

^ has the nerve to criticize Varmint and say he's part of the problem because he's giving MA tax money. But ^ is one of the biggest trump humpers. How many billions has trump generated for NYC, NY state and other anti gun cities, states and counries over the past 40 years?

Hypocrite.

 

[xtry51]

Can we not get this thread locked over stupidity. Some of us like staying on top of these cases without having to wade through pages of off topic garbage.

 

[Varmint]

If you don't want to put in the effort to look for a job yourself, then stay. It's a choice you make and it is up to you to make it.

Also, NH property taxes are higher then MA, but not inflated. I came out ahead at the end of the first year after moving and doubling my property taxes.

It's not a problem of effort, there's simply no jobs in the industry I work in (semiconductors). I know maybe 1 guy from my industry who found a job in NH, and it's part time. The other 50+ people found jobs in Mass. It would be easier for me to find a job in Texas, Colorado, Utah, you name it, than find a job in NH. We might do that at some point, but that's a much more significant move.

I lot of my coworkers do live in NH though, and commute to mass. They'd definitely have found a job in NH if they existed.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

It's not a problem of effort, there's simply no jobs in the industry I work in (semiconductors). I know maybe 1 guy from my industry who found a job in NH, and it's part time. The other 50+ people found jobs in Mass. It would be easier for me to find a job in Texas, Colorado, Utah, you name it, than find a job in NH. We might do that at some point, but that's a much more significant move.

I lot of my coworkers do live in NH though, and commute to mass. They'd definitely have found a job in NH if they existed.

Again, I am not telling anyone to move. If it is important enough to you, you will. If I didn't find work, I would have probably commuted until I did because moving out of MA was that important to me.

 

[Varmint]

Again, I am not telling anyone to move. If it is important enough to you, you will. If I didn't find work, I would have probably commuted until I did because moving out of MA was that important to me.

Yeah, I agree, and if Mass gets any suckier with gun laws I will move. it's a bit more tolerable now that I learned how to get around a lot of the restrictions (the list etc).

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

Please stop crapping up a serious thread about an important case that may have significant consequences for many people in and outside of Massachusetts with your "move out of Massachusetts" bullshit. That is not an answer. Before long there would be no where else to move to.

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Wouldn't the recently decided New York State Rifle & Pistol Assoc. v. Cuomo from the 2nd Circuit be a better vehicle for getting an assault weapon ban before SCOTUS? Not only is the decision an abomination in its logic, it also moves towards bastardizing and redefining the intermediate scrutiny standard, and not just with impact on 2A cases.

Friedman was a pretty bad case as well with the decision essentially stating that the law could be rationalized if it made some people feel safer.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

Simply removing consent and funding by moving to a relatively free state is sufficient to bring these states to its knees in a few years

Fine. Start your own ****ing thread about the merits of people moving their dollars and votes as a means of political action. This thread is about something else.

 

[71montess]

First point is that this case is a bad case and perpetuates runaway unconstitutional gov.....further consideration of case law on RKBA at the fed level is guaranteed to go very badly for RKBA.....when are people going to learn that asking the fed gov to rule on things that its explicitly prohibited from infringing on in the constitution is a "Bad Idea"

On the second point......people continueing to lend support via residency and taxation is exactly what has lent the progressive tyrants the power that they currently have

Simply removing consent and funding by moving to a relatively free state is sufficient to bring these states to its knees in a few years

"A few years" ? Haaaaaaaaaaa! Don't hold your breath ! Sorry back to the thread.

 

[MachineHead]

-Constitution is frequently trampled by judges who don't GAF. This affects judicial outcomes.

-Pro2A residents are vastly outnumbered by silent/anti2A majority. This affects voting.

-Politicians are few and far-between who are pro2A and who can get co-sponsors in a pro2A minority state. This affects legislature.


So, it looks like three areas where it is tough to get some solid 2A footing.

It requires surgery to make any gains wrt to 2A rights in MA. You can't use a sledgehammer to win here.

 

[Hoover]

Those of you that typically live in liberal states such as mass as politically disenfranchised subjects keep doing the same thing over and over and over and how does it work out for you? Not so well when we look at how things have gone in Mass, NY, NJ, Cali and other states for the last 30-40 years

Not only do you folks keep pushing for the same failed approaches but now you put everyone else that lives in relatively free states who have been working at the STATE level to institute sane laws wrt RKBA with these moronic/unconstitutional federal laws/judicial cases that do nothing but consolidate power under the fed gov on an issue that the constitution explicitly forbids it from inserting itself into.

Here's a novel thought.....if what you're doing isnt working then stop digging the hole and try something different....

Knuckle dragger already asked you to end it and start another thread if your panties are in a bunch. Now SHUT THE HECK UP and end it. Can't you get that throu your head? Stop being child and act like an adult.

 

[Serapis]

I wonder if the Court takes it seriously when 24 states request them to take a case. They probably don't really care.

 

[browncoat]

I wonder if the Court takes it seriously when 24 states request them to take a case. They probably don't really care.

The court has made it obvious from its decisions that they don't care about much. The liberals on the court think that the power of the government to "do good" is unlimited and the conservatives think that the power of the government to "stop bad" is unlimited, so we are in the middle screwed.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

I wonder if the Court takes it seriously when 24 states request them to take a case. They probably don't really care.

I think they take it much more seriously when the US Solicitor General submits an amicus brief on behalf of the federal government in support of cert. They probably do take serious notice of 24 state attorneys general, but realize also that all or most of these AGs are elected politicians.

 

[Moderator]

Cut the shit or you're out.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Tx put some rules in place making the abortion places follow certain medical necessities.

There is considerable debate if these are "medical necessities" or if the requirement of admitting privs at a local hospital and surgery center standards are an end-run around the ban on abortion bans.

 

[Dr_Scholl]

Rejected.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...-challenge-local-assault-weapons-ban-35622365

 

[xtry51]

Not surprised at all. SCOTUS will never take a case involving ARs. Ever. They can't because they know they be forced to admit M4s and 30rd mags are common use.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

Justice Thomas, joined by Justice Scalia dissented. See page 12:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120715zor_6j37.pdf

I think public attention generated by recent shootings have given some of the justices cold feet. Still holding out for Caetano which was not in today's orders.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Justice Thomas, joined by Justice Scalia dissented. See page 12:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120715zor_6j37.pdf

I think public attention generated by recent shootings have given some of the justices cold feet. Still holding out for Caetano which was not in today's orders.

They lack the courage to support freedom and liberty.

 

[Smash05]

Denied

 

[LittleCalm]

The dissent's opinion is very simple and effective. A no brainer that must scare the other justices who are more concerned about public opinion and sentiment than what the constitution requires.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

They lack the courage to support freedom and liberty.

The justices who voted to deny cert did not want to fact the choice between intellectual and legal honesty and what they see as desired public policy.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

The justices who voted to deny cert did not want to fact the choice between intellectual and legal honesty and what they see as desired public policy.

it's real simple...Shall not be infringed

 

[browncoat]

The justices who voted to deny cert did not want to fact the choice between intellectual and legal honesty and what they see as desired public policy.

And this is why the US will almost certainly end up going the way of the UK and Australia.