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2 Saudi oil tankers damaged by sabotage attacks

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Problem is you don't know if you'll get a normal republic or another ISIS/Afghanistan/Libya.
Exactly. Unless you're talking complete ME genocide, you're going to end up with just another religious zealot a**h*** in charge. Please reference the literal entirety of history in the ME.
 

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Exactly. Unless you're talking complete ME genocide, you're going to end up with just another religious zealot a**h*** in charge. Please reference the literal entirety of history in the ME.
I'd say that statement only applies to the post Islam & Mongols history of the ME. It used to be the cradle and crossroads of civilization until that one-two punch brought multiple genocides and intellectual stagnation. Western Europe would have probably stayed a relative backwater compared to an advanced cosmopolitan collection of old civilizations in the ME had those two groups not murdered the shit out of the various city states in the region and laid waste to knowledge/cultural centers.

I think Russia, China, and central Asia would be vastly different places today and far more developed had the various ME civilizations not been utterly decimated by the Mongols and Islamic conquest. Even northern Africa would be vastly different and I don't think we would have seen the colonial powers as they existed from western Europe. Trade and technology would have been shared more thoroughly, leading to less isolation and technological disparity in the Old World approaching the industrial revolution era. The center of the world would probably be somewhere thereabouts Turkey.
 
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Problem is you don't know if you'll get a normal republic or another ISIS/Afghanistan/Libya.
So long as they're not seeking nukes and destroying Israel, Idgaf.

Thing is tho the Persian people have always been more "put together" than the Saudi's or Afghanis. Iraq is just a failed state that requires a Saddam to keep the various religions in line. If the regime in Iran does fall, there's no reason for an Iraq to exist any longer. The sole reason it was propped up by the US in the 80s was to counter Iran and act as a buffer for the Saudi's.
 

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What if this is a false-false flag triple-double cross? I’m thinking it’s the Canadians.
If you really want to don the tin foil and claim the Canadians did it, Trudeau is supposedly Castro's illegitimate son, so he could be manipulated by the Cubans to do their bidding and the Cubans would be probably doing so on behalf of the Russians as proxies. Because Trump is considering toppling the Iranian regime and this is really a Russian plot, there's your collusion right there as a Russian puppet.[tinfoil]

But what do I know? I'm just a troll on Bloomberg's payroll.[rofl2]
 
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Odd
Torpedoes dont open holes above the water line.........

And nobody saw nothing?...........
 

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There’s a few countries over there that want us to get into it with Iran. Saudi is one and the other is a bit north of them. Let them figure it out especially since we are now and exporter of oil and don’t need their crap
And we have a guy in the oval office who said he'd keep us out of the middle east and has failed to keep his promise of getting us out of Syria, Afghanistan, etc. And we have another guy whispering in his ear that we need to get into it with Iran.
 
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I don't have any reason not to believe Iran was behind today's attacks, they're economy is crumbling under sanctions so they are growing increasingly desperate. Their plan is to do small scale attacks like this on tankers to cause fear in the West and other nations that the world economy will come crashing down if all oil shipping thru the Straight of Hormuz is shut down and once that's been done, the world will capitulate, lift sanctions, and things will return to normal while Iran continues to build nukes.

That's not going to happen. Trump, the Saudi's, Israel, and a few of the cucked European counties will not stand for that and there will be war.

The next step the US is going to take is to begin providing security to these oil tankers by having Navy ships and submarines escort the tankers out to the Indian ocean. At some point Iran will launch torpedos trying to hit the tankers and end up hitting a USN ship. Classic "act of war" and then the rest of NATO is forced to join the US in war with Iran.

Last I heard a month ago, 150k troops were being deployed to the Mid East. IDK how many of them and their equipment have arrived, so there's still a build up phase going on. Also, IIRC, Iran had issued a warning or declaration that if sanctions aren't lifted by July, they'll restart all their Uranium enrichment facilities.

So the stage is set now for war. I don't think it's going to start in July, but very likely come September some sort of direct conflict between Iran and the US will happen. There will be no invasion like Iraq in 2003, the US cannot afford financially a long term "boots on the ground" occupation that lasts for almost a decade. The end goal will be destroy Iran's nuclear building capabilities, destroy their entire military, all their missiles, their factories that produce munitions and military vehicles, their naval forces and ship building capabilities, and kill their military, police, and gov't officials.

Once that's done, the people of Iran who have been waiting decades to overthrow the theocracy can do so with little opposition and change the regime themselves. We're not going to do it, we've learned that the US doing it directly is the road to perdition.
 
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Once that's done, the people of Iran who have been waiting decades to overthrow the theocracy can do so with little opposition and change the regime themselves. We're not going to do it, we've learned that the US doing it directly is the road to perdition.
This is the most optimistic thing I have read on NES.
 
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All you people want to talk about false flags and such, I'm not saying those things don't exist, heck the biggest false flag was the US knowing that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor and did nothing to better defend the area. Iran is not a friend of the US, it's been an enemy of the US for 40 years. There's no negotiating with them, they lie just like any politician does. There's no need for them to own nuclear weapons, they're not being invaded like Iraq in the 80s, they have a strong conventional military.

They will use their nukes once they get them and if Iran gets nukes, so too will Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and Egypt. Then all these nations will be firing them off at each other.

The people in Iran don't support the theocratic regime, they're tired of it, they want to move into a modern society like Egypt or Turkey. They tried to rise up in 2009, but they did it while Obama and Valerie Jarrett were in charge and the uprising burned out.

After deposing Saddam, there's only one solution to Iran now and that's to destroy the regime's infrastructure and arm the people to rebel and overthrow the Ayatollahs, similar to what was done in Libya, but the difference being that the Iranian people are more civilized than Libyans.
You'd be surprised to learn that Iran attacked the USS Liberty in 1967 killing 34 American sailors and injured a hundred more.
 
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You respect Saudi Arabia? For what? Not only are they not our friend, they're a truly despicable excuse for a nation and people.

My thought exactly. in 3 -2 - 1........
I respect them the same way I do not respect England or France anymore.

Saudia Arabia has managed to hold their values of a society together and pretend to be the Merciful Good Friend to the US.

If we don't respect what they are doing, how can we possible understand what they are capable of and fight it?


Do you have respect for the cottonmouth sunning itself on your path?
 

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I'm having a hard time believing this is anything but a false flag to blame Iran. Either Iran will get blamed, or it will disappear from news and we'll never know who it was.
Wouldn't surprise me if it was China trying to distract us to their advantage. Or Russia looking for an excuse to occupy Iran after we gave them an excuse to 'help' an 'ally'.
 
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