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1st Woman to Take Command of a US Army Infantry Division

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  1. Reptile

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    LOS ALAMITOS, Calif. (AP) — The California National Guard has announced the appointment of the first woman to lead a U.S. Army infantry division.

    Brig. Gen. Laura Yeager will take command of the 40th Infantry Division on June 29 at Joint Forces Training Base in Los Alamitos, California.

    1st woman to take command of a US Army infantry division - Breitbart

    How can this stand?

    She never served in the infantry.
     

  2. CTsupra

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    They hand this GOBI a division when she never held a lower Infantry command?
     
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    Its california.
     
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    Wow.

    Maybe I can counsel pregnant women on childbirth and older women on menopause.
     
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    I’m trying to remember the guy’s name, but waaaay back in the 90s there was an uproar when they gave a maneuver command (armor, I think) to an aviation officer. So there’s precedent from the AD side.

    He did fine.

    Commanding a division is 99% administrative, especially in the Guard. I wouldn’t worry.
     
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    Just show them AbFab:

     
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    Most people have no idea how badly the SJWs have damage our military during the Obama era.
     
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    Just the sjw's, everyone else is well aware.
     
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    Was totally expecting a black lesbian in a wheelchair lol.
     
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    Im of the same opinion. Though it remains to be seen, she could really eff with policies that could filter down to the line companies and change the way theyve been doing things and screwing with what works.

    Im talking about BS like after every mission the crew served weapons must come off the trucks and be locked up even if youre on QRF. Ive seen it happen due to a female being in charge.
     
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    That's dumb... but I don't see how "a female being in charge" automatically equates to some stupid policy regarding a QRF. I've seen an endless mountain of retardation in the infantry and women were nowhere to be found and the leadership were born and raised grunts.

    That said, I'm of the mindset that you are probably better off having someone with a long history of combat arms lead combat arms. At the very least, a general grade aviation officer, especially in the army, should have a pretty solid understanding of how the infantry works.
     
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    A kinder,gentler Infantry.

    I like it !
     
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    Would like to see this chick storm Normandy beach under machine gun fire.
     
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    Not automatically, no - but ive never heard of a pog male officer even remotely suggest something that asinine all because they didnt want to scare the locals who worked on the fob. Granted, this was during a point we were not tasked with kinetic missions for about three months out of twelve in country but still..
     
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    Unfortunately that seems to be the job of the assistant Division Commanders. Think of Henry Fonda and Robert Mitchums' characters in the movie, "The Longest Day". And in case you think that these were just movie tough guys, look them up. Brigadier General Theodore Roosevelt Jr (Theodore Roosevelt Jr. - Wikipedia.) and Brigadier General Norman Cota (Norman Cota, Overlooked Hero of D-Day (And the Next) - New England Historical Society). I think most of us would have been proud to serve under these men.

    Unfortunately there have been so many bad PC choices for high commands recently that it is difficult to tell if General Yeager is a good choice or not. Maybe there is someone somewhere who actually served under her and can give first-hand testimony as to her character and qualifications for this job.
     
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    Are you saying women aren't brave enough to storm a beach?

    As for her taking command, I agree that if you didn't serve in the infantry, you should not be able to command it. It really boils down to politics at this point.
     
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    POG and infantry male officers make asinine decisions all the time. I will say as a relatively new POG I'm not sure that POGs should have an infantry command. When I was in the USMC many though Amos was a disaster for the same reasons. True story, one of our supply guys who was hilarious asked him during a Q&A how it felt to be the first POG commandant. He replied he liked to be thought of as the first combat aviator commandant.
     
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    This.

    Every infantryman in this board knows the grim truth: shit leadership and nonsense policies can happen at every level, in any infantry unit. And that’s with GUYS in command.
     
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    “At this point?”

    Aviators have commanded maneuver units before. That dates back at least twenty years. Plenty of Infantry divisions have been commanded by non-infantrymen in every era. Armor officers have commanded infantry divisions, infantry officers have commanded armored divisions. No biggie, no politics.

    The real issue, to me, is whether a background in combat aviation gives a solid understanding of combined-arms operations. I’d say it definitely does, male or female.
     
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    well..... I was in the 40th. During my however brief stay in Kalifornia. That whole brigade has subscriptions more so than issues.
     
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    Oh Im sure they are...but they would make their husbands go check to see if its safe first :D
     
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    Oh, you're gonna go to hell for that! [rofl2]
     
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    Was she the best candidate or did she get the command because she was a female?
     
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    You're probably right. Another example would be Nimitz replacing the ailing Bull Halsey with a Surface Warfare guy like Raymond Spruance just before the battle of Midway.
     
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    Service record makes her look competent. But even if she was a he there would be belly aching because having an Army Aviation officer commanding Infantry is a bit outside the expertise. 99% of the job is logistics and personnel, but that other 1% takes an understanding of the capabilities of the force. Which often only comes from coming up through the ranks and understanding how each part does their job.
     
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    Here's where I think it gets iffy... I haven't been a POG very long, but I do know that a lot of junior POG officers and POG senior enlisted don't have the slightest clue about infantry stuff, down to some basic weapons handling and marksmanship stuff. I don't know any general grade officers with either background so I don't know what or when they learn certain stuff, and how that might compare. At least on the level where I'm at, there are absolute masters of their profession, but their profession isn't infantry.

    On the big sand table, perhaps things are different. That said, there are certain realities of infantry capabilities that you only learn being in the infantry. I would think at the very least having some time as a platoon commander in the infantry should be looked at heavily when looking for future senior infantry leaders. I was only ever a squad leader, but I know that our reality is alien to a lot of POGs.
     
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    OH man! EPIC!!!!
     
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    When the make women pass the same PT standards as the men then we can discuss. Until then its just noise.
     
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