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why does a civilian need a 30 round mag?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by W.E.C, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. W.E.C

    W.E.C NES Member

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    if some dooshe like piers morgan or david gregory type corners you and poses this accusatory question,

    this is a short and to the point answer:

    (1) Failure to stop the aggressor, and
    (2) Multiple aggressors.


    "its not about magazine capacity, its about mental capacity"

    its about the dignity to defend ones life.
     
  2. Ben Cartwright SASS

    Ben Cartwright SASS NES Member

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    Piers Morgan in his latest clip when asked about a New Yorker who was attacked by 7 men with tire irons said "well he wasn't killed was he, so why should he be allowed to kill someone else"

    what a dick!
     
  3. RandomBS

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    I prefer to not go on the defensive when someone asks this. State clearly that when someone is trying to take away something, it is up to THEM to explain why you should not be allowed to have it. The onus is not on you to explain why you need it, you are not a criminal. Once they attempt to explain why you shouldn't have it, these arguments can easily be deconstructed. Say they claim its to limit the amount of killing power someone has, explain to them how mag limits would not stop a shooter from killing defenseless people due to the easiness of reload and how mass shooters always carry large amounts of ammunition on them anyway.
     
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  4. ivarr

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    just in case
     
  5. GomerPile

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    FBI and other LE studies show very low hit rates for shooters under pressure. In some studies it was in the 20 percent range. A 7 round magazine might allow a civilian shooter to get 1 or 2 hits to stop an attack.

    Why isn't it a requirement for all civilian gun owners to have 30 round magazines?
     
  6. peshooter

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    Point out that even "highly trained police officers" only have around 30% accuracy under stress, and only 1/7 people dies from handgun wounds which means you may have a tough time stopping a determined attacker if you only have 7, 10 etc rounds.

    Anti's will generally not buy most arguments that a civilian "needs" a 30-round mag. I tend to have more success arguing that there's no reason people shouldn't be able to have them:

     
  7. Maxpower

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    Because 10 rounders are on backorder.
     
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  8. richc

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    One of the Columbine shooters used a rifle with ten round mags. He fired 96 rounds with that rifle.
     
  9. W.E.C

    W.E.C NES Member

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    so just tell them "we are all bad shots?? [smile]
     
  10. ColdDayInHell

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    QFT.
     
  11. GomerPile

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    Just human nature....stress affects everyone.

     
  12. peshooter

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    It's bizarre, but that's the mindset people have over there... I have a friend from the UK who I talk about guns with a lot. His house was invaded once, he got tied up, beaten up and they stole his stuff. But he was cool with it because he "knew" they wouldn't kill him. They are more likely to get beat up, robbed and stabbed, but they think it's a fair tradeoff because they are less likely to be killed by a criminal.

    I think I'll stay in the US, thanks...
     
  13. Business

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    so your argument is because we can't aim?

    in actuallity the police are the ones that hit their targets less the lady that shot the guy in her house last week from her attic hit him 6 out of 7 times. Has anybody read any articles on police shootings with that type of round on tartget percentage?
     
  14. W.E.C

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  15. DitchDigger

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    Because somebody makes them.
     
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    I always say because apparently the bad guys use them, and since we can't take theirs away, why should mine as a legal, law abiding gun owner have mine taken? Besides, it's like any other things we own, but don't necessarily need. I have a car with 625 rear wheel horsepower and you could also say why does anyone need that much power? Simple answer is you don't, but this is AMERICA, and we have the choice to own these things if we choose!
     
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  17. northny

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    The answer to the question is also found in Newtown Ct. Watch the tv video footage, and almost every police officer responding on scene is carrying a REAL military assault weapon (selective fire) with large capacity mag. They know that when the need to defend themselves and others this is the right tool for the job. So when I have to defend myself and my family, I want access to the same tool for the same reason even if I can only have the civilian version of the military rifle.
     
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    625 RWHP Termi ......nice. Big whipple. I know unrelated but impressive
     
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    If a mass murder walks into an unarmed school or building I bet they have over 3 minutes before police arrive. 1 thirty round or 4 seven rounds more than enough time to make his mark in history.
     
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