she didn't have to run against anyone. i hope somone from that area can step up.
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The more Sherry tweets, the better chance of finding a Dover resident to oppose her
The more she speaks out like this, the easier it'll be to find a Dover resident to step up and run against her. If anything, we need to get her more exposure, right now nobody follows Sherry, nobody retweets her, nobody sees stuff like this:
Looking at her posting history, she really likes to drop the F-bomb.
No excuse for letting a self-described Progressive run uncontested in the primary, much less in the general election!
The more she speaks out like this, the easier it'll be to find a Dover resident to step up and run against her. If anything, we need to get her more exposure, right now nobody follows Sherry, nobody retweets her, nobody sees stuff like this:
Looking at her posting history, she really likes to drop the F-bomb.
No excuse for letting a self-described Progressive run uncontested in the primary, much less in the general election!
The more she speaks out like this, the easier it'll be to find a Dover resident to step up and run against her. If anything, we need to get her more exposure, right now nobody follows Sherry, nobody retweets her, nobody sees stuff like this:
Looking at her posting history, she really likes to drop the F-bomb.
She lives in a D+9 district. The only way a republican can beat her is to be really well known in town AND there is a wave to boost the republican. You are better off running as a dem and going door to door to primary her.
Are they GOP reps that are waffling on this? Crossing fingers that GOP reps are unanimous in support.
There are a couple of bills with committee hearings this week, one good and one evil, that need our attention. More info here:
https://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/323272-NH-2017-2018-Legislation-Watch
https://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/323272-NH-2017-2018-Legislation-Watch
Tomorrow the Radical anti-gun, "Sell a gun, go to jail" bill has a hearing in the House. See the alert from NHFC below.
Dear friend,
Anti gun extremist, Rep. Katherine Rogers, (D, Merrimack, 28) is pushing HB 201. A bill that will put you in jail for up to a year for selling a gun to a friend or neighbor. That's right, under the provisions of HB 201 you can't even dispose of your private personal property without going to a licensed firearms dealer. But it gets even worse, Rep. Rogers also wants local law enforcement to report violations to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. She wants to federalize local law enforcement.
HB 201 seeks to redefine a private transaction between 2 friends as a so called "commercial sale". Don't be confused by this rhetoric. Licensed dealers engage in "commercial sales". Regular people who sell or give a firearm to a friend or relative are not dealers. Under HB 201 those regular people could go to jail for selling a gun to a friend or family member.
This bill will criminalize commonplace activities you probably don't even think about. Ever loan your rifle to a friend on a hunting trip? Ever let a friend try out one of your guns at the shooting range? If HB 201 is passed, these are the kinds of things that could land you in jail!
HB 201 is so broad that any transfer that is not completed by a licensed dealer subjects the seller to the penalties of a misdemeanor!
If you think that's bad, this new bill -- House Bill 201-FN -- would set the stage for putting the names of New Hampshire gun owners into a national gun registry. It would do this by requiring that virtually any gun transaction in New Hampshire -- private or commercial -- be subject to a Brady Check.
Registration definitely leads to confiscation. It happened in New York.
Thus, if you lived in Stark or Fitzwilliam and wanted to sell your gun to your lifetime next door neighbor, you and he would have to take a day off and drive to a federal firearms licensee.
Once you got there, you might very well face the dirty little secret of the Brady Law: The system is frequently down for long periods of time -- sometimes an entire weekend. And 8% of all inquiries result in "false positives" -- normally because your name is similar to someone else's.
Now, under the language of the Brady Law, it is legally permissible for you and your neighbor to take a day off three days later and drive back to the firearms dealer, accompanied by your neighbor. The problem is this: Most false positives never go "green." Most dealers won't sell a firearm unless the FBI transmits a "green." And most people who try to get the FBI to correct its records are given the brush-off.
But that's not all: Recently, BATF has gone into gun dealers in connection with its annual inspection and demanded to be allowed to photocopy all information from the dealer's bound book and 4473's -- thus compiling a de facto gun registry. Yes, we have been able to confirm the rumors, the BATF is compiling a list of the gun owners and they are doing it by copying the records of licensed gun dealers.
This is what Rep. Rogers really wants, she wants the list created so the radical anti-gun groups can take their final step and have our firearms collected and destroyed. You see, it was never about the sale, it is about the creation of the list of all firearms and they will stop at nothing to get this list created.
So the drafters of House Bill 201-FN claim that they prohibit a state or local firearms registry? Surprise! BATF is not a "state or local agency." And it doesn't consider its list of all gun owners to be a "registry."
Consider how this bill would have failed to prevent Newtown (stolen gun), Aurora (passed background check), Tucson (passed background check), and practically every other modern American tragedy. This bill wouldn't make anyone safer, it's just another cynical attempt by Bloomberg-backed gun-grabbers to marginalize gun-owners, stigmatize gun ownership, and pave the way for the elimination of your gun rights.
Here's what you need to do to help, HB 201 is scheduled for a hearing in the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee on Thursday, January 19 at 1:00 PM. The hearing is scheduled to be held in Room 204 in the Legislative Office Building. Please try to attend this hearing and sign in to oppose HB 201. Please also call and email the committee members and urge them to vote HB 201 "inexpedient to legislate" (ITL).
Click here for a list of all members of the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee. When you go to the committee webpage, you will be able to click on each committee members name to send a personal email. Or you can simply click here to send a single email to all Members of the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee.
HB 201 is sponsored by some of the most anti-Second Amendment, anti-freedom idealogues in New Hampshire. The sponsors are:
Rep. Katherine Rogers (603)496-8521
Rep. Sue Newman (603)880-8973
Rep. Raymond Gagnon (603)542-7286
Rep. Skip Berrien (603) 580-1240
Rep. Paul Berch (603)399-4960
Rep. Timothy Horrigan (603)868-3342
Rep. Marjorie Smith (603)868-7500
Senator Bette Lasky (603)271-3093
Please contact the committee members and bill sponsors to let them know that you strongly oppose ANY attempt to prohibit the private sale of firearms in New Hampshire. You need to be polite but firm when you explain to these legislators that HB 201 might make them "feel like they are doing something" but in reality nothing needs to be done. There is no proof, anywhere that there has been any problems with allowing law abiding, peaceable, state residents to sell or trade firearms (that they lawfully own) to one another.
Private parties cannot order firearms through the mail or UPS, only licensed dealers can do that. HB 201 only addresses face to face private sales.
The content of HB 201 comes straight from the play book of former New York City Mayor Bloomberg and his pals, Gabby Giffords and her anti-gun husband Mark Kelly. They are trying to make the rest of America like the "crime free" mecca that Mayor Bloomberg ruled for 12 years. Not!
Don't be fooled, HB 201 is part of a coordinated national effort and it is just the beginning. If successful they will push for sweeping gun and magazine bans and bans on concealed carry!
Please also let these legislators know (because they are most likely ignorant about firearms) that dealers are licensed, but private parties are currently free and should remain free to dispose of their property as they see fit.
A similar proposal was recently defeated in Maine. Please help NHFC stop Bloomberg from buying New Hampshire and turning it into New York!
Thanks for your support!
Alan M. Rice
Vice President & Training Director - NHFC
P.S. The New Hampshire Firearms Coalition is working tirelessly to keep gun owners like you up-to-date on as many gun issues as possible -- please consider contributing to the effort by chipping in $15 or $20.
Click here to support NHFC by purchasing one of our custom rifles.
Was this email forwarded to you? Click here to go to our home page and sign up for legislative alerts.
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Dear friend,
Anti gun extremist, Rep. Katherine Rogers, (D, Merrimack, 28) is pushing HB 201. A bill that will put you in jail for up to a year for selling a gun to a friend or neighbor. That's right, under the provisions of HB 201 you can't even dispose of your private personal property without going to a licensed firearms dealer. But it gets even worse, Rep. Rogers also wants local law enforcement to report violations to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. She wants to federalize local law enforcement.
HB 201 seeks to redefine a private transaction between 2 friends as a so called "commercial sale". Don't be confused by this rhetoric. Licensed dealers engage in "commercial sales". Regular people who sell or give a firearm to a friend or relative are not dealers. Under HB 201 those regular people could go to jail for selling a gun to a friend or family member.
This bill will criminalize commonplace activities you probably don't even think about. Ever loan your rifle to a friend on a hunting trip? Ever let a friend try out one of your guns at the shooting range? If HB 201 is passed, these are the kinds of things that could land you in jail!
HB 201 is so broad that any transfer that is not completed by a licensed dealer subjects the seller to the penalties of a misdemeanor!
If you think that's bad, this new bill -- House Bill 201-FN -- would set the stage for putting the names of New Hampshire gun owners into a national gun registry. It would do this by requiring that virtually any gun transaction in New Hampshire -- private or commercial -- be subject to a Brady Check.
Registration definitely leads to confiscation. It happened in New York.
Thus, if you lived in Stark or Fitzwilliam and wanted to sell your gun to your lifetime next door neighbor, you and he would have to take a day off and drive to a federal firearms licensee.
Once you got there, you might very well face the dirty little secret of the Brady Law: The system is frequently down for long periods of time -- sometimes an entire weekend. And 8% of all inquiries result in "false positives" -- normally because your name is similar to someone else's.
Now, under the language of the Brady Law, it is legally permissible for you and your neighbor to take a day off three days later and drive back to the firearms dealer, accompanied by your neighbor. The problem is this: Most false positives never go "green." Most dealers won't sell a firearm unless the FBI transmits a "green." And most people who try to get the FBI to correct its records are given the brush-off.
But that's not all: Recently, BATF has gone into gun dealers in connection with its annual inspection and demanded to be allowed to photocopy all information from the dealer's bound book and 4473's -- thus compiling a de facto gun registry. Yes, we have been able to confirm the rumors, the BATF is compiling a list of the gun owners and they are doing it by copying the records of licensed gun dealers.
This is what Rep. Rogers really wants, she wants the list created so the radical anti-gun groups can take their final step and have our firearms collected and destroyed. You see, it was never about the sale, it is about the creation of the list of all firearms and they will stop at nothing to get this list created.
So the drafters of House Bill 201-FN claim that they prohibit a state or local firearms registry? Surprise! BATF is not a "state or local agency." And it doesn't consider its list of all gun owners to be a "registry."
Consider how this bill would have failed to prevent Newtown (stolen gun), Aurora (passed background check), Tucson (passed background check), and practically every other modern American tragedy. This bill wouldn't make anyone safer, it's just another cynical attempt by Bloomberg-backed gun-grabbers to marginalize gun-owners, stigmatize gun ownership, and pave the way for the elimination of your gun rights.
Here's what you need to do to help, HB 201 is scheduled for a hearing in the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee on Thursday, January 19 at 1:00 PM. The hearing is scheduled to be held in Room 204 in the Legislative Office Building. Please try to attend this hearing and sign in to oppose HB 201. Please also call and email the committee members and urge them to vote HB 201 "inexpedient to legislate" (ITL).
Click here for a list of all members of the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee. When you go to the committee webpage, you will be able to click on each committee members name to send a personal email. Or you can simply click here to send a single email to all Members of the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee.
HB 201 is sponsored by some of the most anti-Second Amendment, anti-freedom idealogues in New Hampshire. The sponsors are:
Rep. Katherine Rogers (603)496-8521
Rep. Sue Newman (603)880-8973
Rep. Raymond Gagnon (603)542-7286
Rep. Skip Berrien (603) 580-1240
Rep. Paul Berch (603)399-4960
Rep. Timothy Horrigan (603)868-3342
Rep. Marjorie Smith (603)868-7500
Senator Bette Lasky (603)271-3093
Please contact the committee members and bill sponsors to let them know that you strongly oppose ANY attempt to prohibit the private sale of firearms in New Hampshire. You need to be polite but firm when you explain to these legislators that HB 201 might make them "feel like they are doing something" but in reality nothing needs to be done. There is no proof, anywhere that there has been any problems with allowing law abiding, peaceable, state residents to sell or trade firearms (that they lawfully own) to one another.
Private parties cannot order firearms through the mail or UPS, only licensed dealers can do that. HB 201 only addresses face to face private sales.
The content of HB 201 comes straight from the play book of former New York City Mayor Bloomberg and his pals, Gabby Giffords and her anti-gun husband Mark Kelly. They are trying to make the rest of America like the "crime free" mecca that Mayor Bloomberg ruled for 12 years. Not!
Don't be fooled, HB 201 is part of a coordinated national effort and it is just the beginning. If successful they will push for sweeping gun and magazine bans and bans on concealed carry!
Please also let these legislators know (because they are most likely ignorant about firearms) that dealers are licensed, but private parties are currently free and should remain free to dispose of their property as they see fit.
A similar proposal was recently defeated in Maine. Please help NHFC stop Bloomberg from buying New Hampshire and turning it into New York!
Thanks for your support!
Alan M. Rice
Vice President & Training Director - NHFC
P.S. The New Hampshire Firearms Coalition is working tirelessly to keep gun owners like you up-to-date on as many gun issues as possible -- please consider contributing to the effort by chipping in $15 or $20.
Click here to support NHFC by purchasing one of our custom rifles.
Was this email forwarded to you? Click here to go to our home page and sign up for legislative alerts.
Not an NHFC Member? Click here to join.
Senate passes SB12
SB12 passed the senate, see full article at Union Leader.
Credit for breaking news goes to Steve MacDonald of Granite Grok.
Next step: House vote.
SB12 passed the senate, see full article at Union Leader.
Credit for breaking news goes to Steve MacDonald of Granite Grok.
Next step: House vote.
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LOL, NM. This is awesome.
That's exactly what I want to know too. This is awesome!
Anybody got the text of Bette Lasky's (D-Nashua) failed amendment to SB12?
Senate Democrats offered (and were defeated on) two amendments to address flaws in SB 12. Bette Lasky (D-Nashua) introduced an amendment to "require background checks for gun owners applying for concealed carry permits". I'd like to see the text of Bette's amendment, just for chuckles.
In case your blood pressure is too low, here's a sample of what the loyal opposition has to say about SB12:
I apologize for inflicting Zandra's rant on you, so here's a palate cleanser from Gov. Chris Sununu's official statement today: “I am pleased that the State Senate today voted to advance common sense legislation in support of a citizen’s fundamental right to carry a firearm, joining neighboring states throughout the region and across the country,”
Senate Democrats offered (and were defeated on) two amendments to address flaws in SB 12. Bette Lasky (D-Nashua) introduced an amendment to "require background checks for gun owners applying for concealed carry permits". I'd like to see the text of Bette's amendment, just for chuckles.
Still needs to pass the house of representatives. As the NRA says "contact your state Representative and politely urge them to support SB 12!"
In case your blood pressure is too low, here's a sample of what the loyal opposition has to say about SB12:
Zandra Rice-Hawkins said:
I apologize for inflicting Zandra's rant on you, so here's a palate cleanser from Gov. Chris Sununu's official statement today: “I am pleased that the State Senate today voted to advance common sense legislation in support of a citizen’s fundamental right to carry a firearm, joining neighboring states throughout the region and across the country,”
KBCraig
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Here's what I wrote. (Please don't just copy and paste; they ignore those. Use your own words.)
Dear Representatives,
Please vote ITL on HB 201. This bill would be ineffective at stopping already-illegal criminal transfer of firearms, but would put honest people at risk of prosecution.
Every "commercial firearms sale or transfer" already requires a background check. This bill dangerously expands the definition of "commercial" to include ordinary private sales, while falsely claiming to exempt them.
Any firearm sale or transfer would be "pursuant to a . . . posting, listing, or display" if someone, with no intent to sell, posted photos of their collection, or set up a display, and then agreed to sell if offered an agreeable price. Even a display inside a private home could be construed as a "commercial firearms sale or transfer" if the owner agreed to sell, or even give for free, to a friend or family member who inquired about buying or receiving the firearm being displayed.
The sponsors have not offered any evidence of need for this drastic change to New Hampshire firearms law.
Please vote ITL on HB 201.
(signature)
KBCraig
NES Member
After I sent that, I thought of another example.
Suppose Uncle Bill, as executor of Grandpa's will, sends an email to all the heirs: "Grandpa's will says that each of you get the firearm of his or her choice from his collection. Who wants what?"
That would be a posting, and a listing, and the subsequent private transfer would be illegal unless processed through NICS.
Suppose Uncle Bill, as executor of Grandpa's will, sends an email to all the heirs: "Grandpa's will says that each of you get the firearm of his or her choice from his collection. Who wants what?"
That would be a posting, and a listing, and the subsequent private transfer would be illegal unless processed through NICS.
I fail to see the dem's logic in 201. In their minds, the way the concealed carry law is at this point in time is ok and shouldn't be changed to permitless concealed carry because historically, it's worked but, the way guns have been sold and purchased for many, many years with few if any isuues is not ok and should be changed.
Go figure...![[thinking]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/010.gif "Thinking [thinking]")
Go figure...
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RE: SB201 Even the exception doesn't actually provide an exception...
"If the status of either party’s eligibility to own or possess a firearm cannot be ascertained" ... Who here, that isn't a Licensed Firearm Dealer can access the NICS? Without access to the NICS, who can ascertain any party's eligibility to own or posses a firearm (assuming, of course, that the constitution doesn't actually apply)? No one, but a Licensed dealer, after running a background check can, so the exception isn't an exception at all.
"If the status of either party’s eligibility to own or possess a firearm cannot be ascertained" ... Who here, that isn't a Licensed Firearm Dealer can access the NICS? Without access to the NICS, who can ascertain any party's eligibility to own or posses a firearm (assuming, of course, that the constitution doesn't actually apply)? No one, but a Licensed dealer, after running a background check can, so the exception isn't an exception at all.
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It's unenforceable. Hammer it into them.
Is there a date when the house will vote on SB12?
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Logic? You think they use LOGIC? They use raw emotion to form public policy.
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I fail to see the dem's logic in 201. In their minds, the way the concealed carry law is at this point in time is ok and shouldn't be changed to permitless concealed carry because historically, it's worked but, the way guns have been sold and purchased for many, many years with few if any isuues is not ok and should be changed.
Go figure...
Logic? You think they use LOGIC? They use raw emotion to form public policy.
SB12 needs to pass from the House to the Senate and then be sent to the House CJ&PS committee. I expect that this will happen at some point over the next 4 weeks. The House CJ&PS committee will then have a public hearing and the bill will go back to the full house for a final vote. There is still work to do to pass this legislation.
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SB12 needs to pass from the Senate to the House and then be sent to the House CJ&PS committee. I expect that this will happen at some point over the next 4 weeks. The House CJ&PS committee will then have a public hearing and the bill will go back to the full house for a final vote. There is still work to do to pass this legislation.
My error, as this bill started in the Senate.
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SB12 needs to pass from the Senate to the House and then be sent to the House CJ&PS committee. I expect that this will happen at some point over the next 4 weeks. The House CJ&PS committee will then have a public hearing and the bill will go back to the full house for a final vote. There is still work to do to pass this legislation.
My error, as this bill started in the Senate.
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I am quite sure design knows what's up with this bill.
Well he has, of course, cosponsored this bill... and all the previous Constitution Carry bills...
Or maybe give credit where credit is due -- to Granite Grok and the Union-Leader both of whom broke the news on SB12 passing... two days ago.
Good point. It looks like Dems are targeting their resistance to the bill on the media (because they know they haven't got the votes) and on the "suitability" language that some judges and cops have tried turning into MA style mother-may-I-issue.
http://www.unionleader.com/state-go...-carry-without-a-permit-for-firearms-20170119
The writer of that piece, Dave Solomon, couldn't have slanted it more to the anti-gun Democrats' position if they wrote it for him. But why write it for him when he's one of them and can be counted on to toe the Party Line?
Area law enforcement oppose concealed carry bill
Claremont Police Chief Alex Scott said he does not support passage of SB12 since “the current system that we have works very well.” “It strikes a balance between the competing interests [of law enforcement and gun owners]. It’s been in place for a number of years,” Scott said. Sunapee Police Chief David Cahill said he does not favor the bill’s passage because it would take away from police the authority to issue permits to carry concealed firearms. Cahill said that authority is “the only mechanism we have in place” to ensure residents applying for a license to carry a concealed firearm are suitable to do so under existing state law. “I am a strong supporter of people having the right to bear arms. My only worry is not having the local authority to review and issue permits,” Cahill said. “It’s keeping honest people honest.” Sullivan County Attorney Marc Hathaway said current state licensing requirements are “not particularly onerous” and do not infringe on a person’s right to carry a concealed firearm. “I think that, from a law enforcement perspective, the existing concealed-carry law determines quickly who has a right to carry. That is an advantage [law enforcement] certainly appreciates,” Hathaway said.
<http://www.eagletimes.com/news/2017-01-18/Front_Page/Area_law_enforcement_oppose_concealed_carry_bill.html>
Claremont Police Chief Alex Scott said he does not support passage of SB12 since “the current system that we have works very well.” “It strikes a balance between the competing interests [of law enforcement and gun owners]. It’s been in place for a number of years,” Scott said. Sunapee Police Chief David Cahill said he does not favor the bill’s passage because it would take away from police the authority to issue permits to carry concealed firearms. Cahill said that authority is “the only mechanism we have in place” to ensure residents applying for a license to carry a concealed firearm are suitable to do so under existing state law. “I am a strong supporter of people having the right to bear arms. My only worry is not having the local authority to review and issue permits,” Cahill said. “It’s keeping honest people honest.” Sullivan County Attorney Marc Hathaway said current state licensing requirements are “not particularly onerous” and do not infringe on a person’s right to carry a concealed firearm. “I think that, from a law enforcement perspective, the existing concealed-carry law determines quickly who has a right to carry. That is an advantage [law enforcement] certainly appreciates,” Hathaway said.
<http://www.eagletimes.com/news/2017-01-18/Front_Page/Area_law_enforcement_oppose_concealed_carry_bill.html>
The next hearing for SB12 will be in the House and could be in the near future. Please be prepared to be there if you can. Likely a Tuesday or Thursday.
BTW, There is the "Concealed Carry Voter Suppression Act" this Tuesday in CJ&PS. This bill is intended to keep those who carry firearms from showing up to vote.
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billText.aspx?sy=2017&id=168&txtFormat=html
They want to prohibit you from carrying your self defense tools at polling places.... This means no carry at the polling place and no storage in the vehicle "or within any of the person's possessions owned"..
This bill also needs to be stopped.
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BTW, There is the "Concealed Carry Voter Suppression Act" this Tuesday in CJ&PS. This bill is intended to keep those who carry firearms from showing up to vote.
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billText.aspx?sy=2017&id=168&txtFormat=html
They want to prohibit you from carrying your self defense tools at polling places.... This means no carry at the polling place and no storage in the vehicle "or within any of the person's possessions owned"..
This bill also needs to be stopped.
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