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Whats the right thing to do

Discussion in 'LEO Bubbas' started by kellyrobyn, Oct 17, 2011.

  1. kellyrobyn

    kellyrobyn Member

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    So, today in Holbrook, MA a woman leaving a bank gets pulled over by what she believes is an actual undercover police officer. The man was not an officer but a thief who seen her leave a bank in Weymouth and robbed her. He told her he was armed, knew she had just left the bank and that there'd be no trouble if she cooperated. So, my question is this, what can I do or should I do when getting pulled over by an undercover police officer. I would never want to do anything that'd appear I didn't want to cooperate with an officer but I also don't want to put myself in harms way when there is something I can do to avoid this type of possible situation.
     
  2. Bob-Sig226

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    Did the undercover have lights, etc or did he just wave her over? If there is ever any question you should either call 911 (and keep driving) or drive to the closest police station. I'd be interested in hearing from a LEO on this subject as well.
     
  3. kellyrobyn

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    Crazy, I tell my sister she gets pulled over, she should drive to a main road and pull over, call 911 asap if it feels funny, or drive to the police station like Bob_Sig 226 said. Tough situation if you owe a gun, I would suggest to try to get some type of training on something likes, god forbid you pulled out on a real cop
     
  5. xtry51

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    Dial 911 and have them either confirm its an officer behind you or have them guide you to the nearest police station.

    If there's any doubt don't stop at least until you get to a populated area.
     
  6. economist

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    Even on a main road, you are on your own unless just by accident a real police car happens by and decides to stop. It's not like the average citizen is going to help.
     
  7. economist

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    That makes a lot of sense, but you just know a real officer is going to be very pissed if that happens. That's a big part of the problem as I see it. Who do you fear more, some random criminal or a really pissed off cop who just followed you 5 miles to the nearest police station? And for bonus points, say you are carrying too.
     
  8. kellyrobyn

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    That's exactly what I don't want to do is anger the police officer so I was hoping for some input by one. Once you are pulled over you are trapped and he may possibly have your information if you hand him your license and registration. I was just wondering what police officers would like to happen, maybe drive with your flashers on while calling the 911 until they are confirmed?
     
  9. oldguy

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    There is no good answer to being pulled over by a fake cop.
    If it is a real cop and you don't stop your screwed and may be looking at some serious charges.

    Anyone posing as LEO should be put away for a long time to deter this crap from happening.
     
  10. In God We Trust

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    I know in some states it is legal to continue driving to a secure location. Apparently in the people's republic of MA it is not. I found this on the Hatfield, MA police website:

    Either way, if it were my wife and she had a cop try to stop her in an unmarked car in the middle of nowhere, I would have her keep driving and call 911. We will deal with the consequences later if the cop wants to be a dick about it.
     
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    I would start driving slow, put my flashers on turn my inside lights on if it is dark out and call
    the police on my cell.If it is a fake cop the moment he can see your on the cell he will be gone.
     
  12. xtry51

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    FWIW I got that advice from a trooper in my drivers ed course.

    And for the bonus, he should be happy I did the sensible thing and didn't use it [wink]
     
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    I would call 911 and ask for a uniformed officer in a marked cruiser to come, and refuse to interact with the UC until the uniform got there.
     
  14. apd193

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    As an officer, I would say this is the most sensible course of action. Albeit if it is a thug he may be pissed that you are on your phone and ram you, shoot at you or get information from your plate registration and bother you at a later date.

    Calling 911 is a good idea. In bigger cities, however, you may not be directed to the same dispatch center as the UC attempting to pull you over. So driving to a police station is a good idea, or tell the 911 operator that you are going to the nearest Fire Station, or EMT Center, they could probably even guide you to the correct position. I know in Phoenix every call made to 911 from a cell phone is tracked via GPS (if GPS is turned on), and every patrol unit is tracked with GPS they could get a uniformed officer to your location rather quickly. (Note: They -dispatch- do not record every call being made, only those made to 911, dispatch centers, and most gov't lines.)

    If it turns out that it is a legitimate officer, be as kind as you possibly can, thank him for his patience, his service, and tell him to be safe. Remind him that he needs to return to his home safely just as you wish to do the same. If he (officer) approaches with an attitude, as hard as it may seem, be polite. Explain to him why you didn't pull over, tell him you respect the law and those that enforce it (even if you don't). Always have a good joke on hand, if you can ease his tension, it will go much smoother for you.

    Now, I realize that there are dog bag officer's out there who will attempt to ruffle your feathers, and make things incredibly difficult for you, with these officers it is best to remain calm (you are most likely being recorded) and complain to his supervisor later. Chances are you aren't the first to complain. After awhile Officer Dog Bag will either quit or be fired.

    Now, if it is a thug with blue lights, and you do stop...understand that while sitting, you won't get your gun out quick enough to be very defensible and turn the tide. It is better to loose some money and other material items then get injured and have thousands of dollars in medical bills, or worse be killed.

    Be smart, be safe, and Stay Off the Wall (or obituary for you Non-LEO's)
     
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    I take it this is her.

    http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/...rook-police-searching-for-a-cop-impersonator/
     
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    There's a couple options first off immediately put your hazards on. Obey all traffic laws and drive to a well lit and populated area to pull over. Or, after turning hazards on call 911 and tell them whats going on, they will confirm if they have an officer pulling you over or not.
     
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    unmarked cruisers should NOT be used for traffic stops..... especially @ night.

    i would not pull over for unmarked cruiser in BFE / backwoods.
     
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    according to the report, he has a blue light on roof of his car...usually real LEO lights are incorporated in the front grill. He approaches the car, motions he has a gun in pocket and for her to hand over the money.
    At this point, it doesn't matter if he's real or not, it's an armed robbery.
     
  19. terraformer

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    Yeah, but you just let him get up on top of you with an engine that is now off, a gun that you dared not get your hand near and god knows what other disadvantages the situation begets. It's like home intruders screaming police as they enter the door. They get the advantage and they know it.
     
  20. economist

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    It's worse in a traffic stop. I know I'm not a criminal, so anyone breaking into my house must be a criminal, no matter what they say.

    But a traffic stop can happen to anybody, so you risk a fake LEO robbing or killing you, or, you can drive around looking for a better / safe place to stop and/or call the police all at the risk of pissing off a cop who has a lot of arbitrary power to make your life miserable.
     

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