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Path-Finder said:
Membah back when you could go hunting and stop at a diner and leave your gun in the truck while you ate? Even if it was in a gun rack. I membah.
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No, because I lived in the city most of my life and that shit would have been lifted in a heartbeat.

Don’t confuse what I’m saying, “could” and “should” have very different meanings.
 
Grendizer138 said:
No, because I lived in the city most of my life and that shit would have been lifted in a heartbeat.

Don’t confuse what I’m saying, “could” and “should” have very different meanings.
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And your also talking two different situations......... and you said you would never leave a locked up gun in the car for any reason.......

Leaving a gun in a vehicle in a city....is very different then leaving a gun in a car in the country.

No one I know that i hunt with takes their shotgun/rifle in the diner with them while they eat....or go to the store, or whatever. Even in Central MA. Are you saying you would?
 
CrackPot said:
  • owner is a dumb ass because he left guns in his car unattended
  • owner is a dumb ass because he talked to the police about missing/stolen guns and not through his lawyer
  • unless he admitted that the backpack was unlocked he is unlikely criminally liable
  • this is MA so whether he loses his LTC is purely a question for the local chief of police. If he decides to pull it, it is gone and MA courts will almost always upheld.

A side story

MA requires that you promptly report to police when any gun is lost or stolen. It also does not permit an LTC to be pulled if the gun is reported missing in a timely fashion, though only the first time. Repeated thefts are not exempt. I have a customer that had a couple guns stolen who reported them the moment he found them missing and still had his license pulled. So even when the law does not support the action, MA does not care...
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That is completely f***ed up. CLEO must be so proud of himself.
 
Grendizer138 said:
I can’t answer this from a legality perspective, but stop arming bad guys by leaving shit where it can be easily stolen!!
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Love Machine said:
What a maroon. Way to arm the perps.
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I have a different take on it. Respectfully, stop blaming the victim, and prosecute criminals to the fullest. The guns in your safe, my safe... all of our safes, can be stolen in minutes. Security is an illusion that is frequently overcome by determination and opportunity.
I have two gun safes that both cost about $1500, and have seen video of people opening them in about 45 seconds with a crowbar. They simply dropped the safe on it's back and pried it open.
I agree that this guy made some bad decisions, but blaming him is akin to accusing a cattle rancher of aiding and abetting a cattle rustler for supplying food to criminals.
Wasn't there a guy not long ago that had constructed an actual vault, and got jammed up because someone stole his collection while he was away?
I think they should make theft of a firearm a mandatory 10 years in prison
Grendizer138 said:
Lunch is a necessity? I won’t leave a locked-up gun in a vehicle for any reason I can think of unless I have constant visual contact with the vehicle. I’ll pack a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and not take the risk of arming a shithead.
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I have had to leave a firearm in a vehicle. When you get a call from the school nurse that you have to come and get your kid, you really don't have a choice.
I keep a lock box in my vehicle, chained to the seat frame, just in case. Stuff happens.
 
fencer said:
I have a different take on it. Respectfully, stop blaming the victim, and prosecute criminals to the fullest. The guns in your safe, my safe... all of our safes, can be stolen in minutes. Security is an illusion that is frequently overcome by determination and opportunity.
I have two gun safes that both cost about $1500, and have seen video of people opening them in about 45 seconds with a crowbar. They simply dropped the safe on it's back and pried it open.
I agree that this guy made some bad decisions, but blaming him is akin to accusing a cattle rancher of aiding and abetting a cattle rustler for supplying food to criminals.
Wasn't there a guy not long ago that had constructed an actual vault, and got jammed up because someone stole his collection while he was away?
I think they should make theft of a firearm a mandatory 10 years in prison
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C’mon, dude. Are you comparing leaving a gun in your safe to leaving a gun in a backpack in your car in your driveway?

The guy should be free to do so and I hope he skates, but doesn’t mean it’s not irresponsible.


fencer said:
I have had to leave a firearm in a vehicle. When you get a call from the school nurse that you have to come and get your kid, you really don't have a choice.
I keep a lock box in my vehicle, chained to the seat frame, just in case. Stuff happens.
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There’s certainly some situations where you’d have to leave a gun in your vehicle, and a lock box for emergencies is smart. i’m going to take that advice.

Just be smart is all I’m saying. You do not want to arm a bad guy because you had the munchies on the way back from the range at 11pm and couldn’t pass up Applebees.
 
Grendizer138 said:
C’mon, dude. Are you comparing leaving a gun in your safe to leaving a gun in a backpack in your car in your driveway?
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Not at all. I'm saying that you could just as easily have a gun stolen out of your house as having your car stolen out of your driveway, and in Mass, it is very possible that the consequences will be the same.

Obviously, this guy is a below average thinker, he clearly thought that the cops were going to help him, (sucker), because he was the victim of a crime. Not only is he a dumbass for talking to the cops, he also bought a Ford Bronco.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
A MA court upheld a MA LTC revocation for a safe storage violation in RI. Although not a crime in RI, the chief (backed by the court) claimed that failure to follow safe storage practices as defined by MA law was evidence on was not a suitable person, even if the storage took place in a jurisdiction outside of MA where it is not a crime.
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Well there you have it folks… Full retard.
 
fencer said:
Wasn't there a guy not long ago that had constructed an actual vault, and got jammed up because someone stole his collection while he was away?
I think they should make theft of a firearm a mandatory 10 years in prison
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No guarantees that I'm remembering this correctly (memory is the second thing that goes as you get older - I can't remember the first), but wasn't there some nonsense about the police deciding that the vault was so large that it could be considered a separate room, and a locked room doesn't meet the requirements?


EDIT: Well, kinda sorta. The improper storage looks to have been for powder when the police grabbed the other things in the vault, and they used that to pull his FID. Then, since he didn't have an FID, they didn't want to give the guns back.

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HuntMaine said:
We are? Who leaves their firearms in a backpack overnight in their car ?
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fencer said:
I have had to leave a firearm in a vehicle. When you get a call from the school nurse that you have to come and get your kid, you really don't have a choice.
I keep a lock box in my vehicle, chained to the seat frame, just in case. Stuff happens.
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Which is perfectly legal, despite what cops are trained. As long as the gun is not "on one's person" at any time while on school property, a good attorney can usually get this charge dropped.
 
Buck Fiden said:
The same kind of moron who tells the cops he did. FFS, if you have to report a stolen gun you report that it was in a locked container, how will they ever find out it wasn’t?
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If the firearm is recovered outside of the container. I posted a story about this exact thing happening a few weeks ago and the dude involved still got charged and successfully convicted of improper storage.

TL;DR - guy had a LTC and gun was lawfully possessed and registered. Guy got his car stolen while he went into the gas station with the car running. Guy claimed the gun was in a built-in locked container inside the vehicle. Reported the car stolen to the cops and told them about the gun. Cops found the gun outside the locked container. However, they have no idea what the car thief did after the car was stolen. They even acknowledged it on the stand that they can’t prove the car thief didn’t touch the firearm or container. No fingerprint testing was done. Thief did technically have access to the container though because the key for the container was the same one for the ignition, but at the time of the incident the gun was properly secured and cops can’t disprove that. Unfortunately they still lost that case.
 
Joeldiaz said:
If the firearm is recovered outside of the container. I posted a story about this exact thing happening a few weeks ago and the dude involved still got charged and successfully convicted of improper storage.

TL;DR - guy had a LTC and gun was lawfully possessed and registered. Guy got his car stolen while he went into the gas station with the car running. Guy claimed the gun was in a built-in locked container inside the vehicle. Reported the car stolen to the cops and told them about the gun. Cops found the gun outside the locked container. However, they have no idea what the car thief did after the car was stolen. They even acknowledged it on the stand that they can’t prove the car thief didn’t touch the firearm or container. No fingerprint testing was done. Thief did technically have access to the container though because the key for the container was the same one for the ignition, but at the time of the incident the gun was properly secured and cops can’t disprove that. Unfortunately they still lost that case.
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Bench or jury trial?
 
Joeldiaz said:
If the firearm is recovered outside of the container. I posted a story about this exact thing happening a few weeks ago and the dude involved still got charged and successfully convicted of improper storage.

TL;DR - guy had a LTC and gun was lawfully possessed and registered. Guy got his car stolen while he went into the gas station with the car running. Guy claimed the gun was in a built-in locked container inside the vehicle. Reported the car stolen to the cops and told them about the gun. Cops found the gun outside the locked container. However, they have no idea what the car thief did after the car was stolen. They even acknowledged it on the stand that they can’t prove the car thief didn’t touch the firearm or container. No fingerprint testing was done. Thief did technically have access to the container though because the key for the container was the same one for the ignition, but at the time of the incident the gun was properly secured and cops can’t disprove that. Unfortunately they still lost that case.
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You still don’t tell the f’n cops that you left it in your backpack unlocked overnight 😉
 
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