Jarhead 66 thanks for sticking up for my boy Deer Slayer he is only 16 thinks he knows it all but I did @ his age all so he is a good boy loves to shoot any thing hand guns rifles and good @ trap we shoot a lot in Maine with our own throwers auto and hand and also @ our club in Medfeild wobbly trap tower he does not care how far it is thrown as long as he can shoot @ it . You are a stand up guy Semper Fidelis my friend. Rico 13