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    Quote Originally Posted by Len-2A Training View Post
    And nobody in 1980 would have had a thought in their head to tag mags as LE Only. We're not splitting hairs here about mags made in September 1994 but prior to the ban.
    That "hair" could be the difference between a felony conviction and acquittal.

    Some companies have had long standing polities of certain products being LE only, irrespective of any bans. Winchester LE Only ammo (plenty of leakage into the civilian market) and Federal 9BPLE (very little leakage). It is not inconceivable that some company would have market a product "LE only" (although the only examples I have are certain types of ammo). I know the Glock 33 round mag was "LE only" way back when (not marked as such, but not sold in civilian channels)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Boudrie View Post
    That "hair" could be the difference between a felony conviction and acquittal.

    Some companies have had long standing polities of certain products being LE only, irrespective of any bans. Winchester LE Only ammo (plenty of leakage into the civilian market) and Federal 9BPLE (very little leakage come to mind). It is not inconceivable that some company would have market a product "LE only" (although the only examples I have are certain types of ammo). I know the Glock 33 round mag was "LE only" way bac when (not marked as such, but not sold in civilian channels)
    Remington's folding stock for the 870 shotgun is a good example of a non-ban part/accessory that bore LE restrictive markings (1) not being subject to the federal AWB and (2) before the federal AWB existed. The restrictive markings were part of Remington's marketing and distribution plan. (they didn't want that product being sold commercially to the public).

    I would like to know more about the mag in question. If it is actually marked 1980, I can't help but wonder if that isn't a manufacturer applied number intended to meet the federally mandated serial number requirement that was applicable to post-ban high capacity magazines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slap shot View Post
    If you can prove it's made in 1980 why does the LE matter?
    It matters because the wording is in the old law, at least on the federal side. Not sure why a mag from 1980 would have that shit on it, though.

    If the mags are legit from 1980 I would just grind that shit off and refinish them.

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    All of my pre ban mags have no le only markings on them. All though my oldest mags are 1991 era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWD-V8 View Post
    Has anybody ever been prosecuted for possessing LE mags and not being a LEO?
    I highly doubt it. Maybe, just maybe if you were arrested for a crime and they were trying to pile on extra charges then maybe. But I have a hard time believing that any police officer would care what a regular, law abiding citizen who is at the range shootin had for a magazine. Most of my friends and colleagues are police officers, state troppers, corrections officers and so on, and not one of them could care less what non-criminal sportsman and gun enthusiasts have for gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickedcoolname View Post
    I highly doubt it. Maybe, just maybe if you were arrested for a crime and they were trying to pile on extra charges then maybe. But I have a hard time believing that any police officer would care what a regular, law abiding citizen who is at the range shootin had for a magazine. Most of my friends and colleagues are police officers, state troppers, corrections officers and so on, and not one of them could care less what non-criminal sportsman and gun enthusiasts have for gear.
    Perhaps not, but when someone is involved in a shooting it is common to seize all guns and >10 round mags, either as a voluntary surrender in compliance with a post-LTC revocation order or a search warrant. It is not unheard of for the confiscated items to be examined for legality; all serial numbers traced looking for stolen guns (even in the absence of any evidence any were); etc.

    Do not assume that what happens in a casual encounter will bear much if any resemblance to a post-incident witch hunt.

    I am familiar with one case where a woman shot her boyfriend (she is doing time now), a warrant was served for all guns in the apartment and the police announced they were being examined to see if any additional charges were warranted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAPSER View Post
    is it legal Using 1980 mags 13 round that have "LE only" in ma
    A minor detail, but it is "possessing" (in MA) not using them that matters.

    There are a bunch of people out there who do not understand this however. One vendor that I see at the Marlboro gun show each year told me just a few weeks ago that he could bring his post-ban standard capacity magazines here to MA because he is a resident of another state. I attempted to inform him otherwise but he was having none of it.

    It does seem very strange that you have mags so marked but believe them to be of 1980 vintage. (If I am reading this right) I'm definitely curious to know the details.
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    Try to convince the police they are French mags.... Le mags... for my Le gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DONALDG-HOG View Post
    Try to convince the police they are French mags.... Le mags... for my Le gun.
    Just change a couple of letters:

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    There have been many cases in the news of persons arrested after mass shootings with hi cap mags. usually ar15 mags that are marked 09/94. In a state like CT,MA,NY,NJ, CA, DC you are definitely going to get charged after using one of those post ban mags.

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