Military Combatives

From you? The Godfather?

Jeet Kune Do + Brazilian Jiu-jitsu =MMA, or UFC style fighting.

Matt Larsen and the Army went to the groups that were associated with this Mix of training. They researched and brought in civilian instructors and developed The Modern Army Combatives and the other Armed Forces followed this format.
Anyone serving prior to 95 was taught combatives old school, I believe that is why many in their late 40's and older have no idea what I am talking about because they learned in an entirely different way with different termanology..

So the Army learned from the civilians and almost all LE is following in this same footprint.

I posted these vids to show the members how the Military has excepted this training and confirm that they too can learn this modern approach to combat free and do it right at home. Just follow the the tracks.

Originally Posted by jmjkd

Jeet Kune Do + Brazilian Jiu-jitsu =MMA, or UFC style fighting.

Just a pet peeve of mine (and not to hijack this tread), but learning a striking discipline & bjj does not make you a mixed martial artist. It's how MMA started out, but today it is an entity of it's own. No one trains boxing, then wrestling, and then heads to bjj class anymore. Everything is pretty much MMA all the time. The submission and striking game in MMA different; an example would be Nick Diaz, who is arguably one of the best MMA strikers around. Ask any boxer though, and they'll say he's flat footed, too squared up, etc etc. Even things that work out in bjj don't fare so well in MMA (double wrist control, bottom 1/2 guard, bottom guard, mount in some cases).
You're starting to see more and more of these younger guys coming up, who training MMA. Not wrestling and bjj, or muay thai and bjj, but MMA. Rory Macdonald and Erik Koch being to great examples. </rant>

As for my thoughts on military application... not a good idea, although it's better than nothing. I believe the Russians had it right with Sambo, throw hard and often, and submissions over position. Keep it simple, get on top and be super aggressive. I doubt anyone remembers the joint locks and fancy stuff they learned during training.

It's a damn joke... They generate more injuries for a style of combat that is trained for without battle gear. I don't think you'll ever see a soldier in full battle gear attempting the shrimping move to gain a dominant position on the battle field. Bunch of crap.

Fighting is always evolving. When BJJ first came on to the scene, fighting on the ground from in the guard was the way most BJJ guys went. Today, almost everyone knows submission defense, even if they only have a little BJJ under their belt. So it's not as effective as it used to be.

While I wouldn't recommend BJJ as one's sole method of self defense, I think everyone should study it. The ground is the last place you want to be in a fight, but some fights do end up there in certain situations. It's clearly not good against multiple attackers and in most battlefield situations.

I'm with Skywalker. Hit hard and often, stay on your feet and move. If you end up on the ground, get a dominant position ASAP and punch instead of going for a submission.

Originally Posted by alohadoug

Fixed that for you.

As one that went through the "Combatives" program in the Military...I can't stand that CRAP! Any form of combat that relies on strictly fighting one on one and requiring the combatants to leave their feet and go to the ground is not for me at all! Most of the Military that I know say that it's great for the gym but in real life that stuff will get you killed. Nearly got my brother-in-law killed in Iraq when the second guy jumped into the fight. Thank God for his battle-buddy with a shotgun.

Just my opinion.

Aloha

Thanks for the fix btw bro...;-)

Now you guys I can talk to, and you guys are in the scene abd can speak the language. Awesome!!!


That's the problem with BJJ and Mixed Martial Arts, they purposely take people to the ground. That doesn't float in my book either. However, I see the value in knowing ground fighting because....shit happens and people end up on the ground. .Sand, snow, wetlands, low light, and obstacles promote unsettled footing. Also with the explosion of the UFC and MMA all these schools are popping up teaching this stuff to our next generation and they all do ground fighting. So you at least need to know some.

In 95 the year Matt got the go ahead to reconstruct the program and bring in civilians, I was brought to Ft. Devens to train the guys in the 10th. My job was to train the guys in ground fighting, however they too agreed that chokes and submission was not the answer in spite of the importance of the ground fight. So what I did was use the fundamentals of BJJ but instead of armbars and chokes to submit, I developed a deployment system where the knife or gun was the end result, much better for what they were doing.

Let me explain how this came about.
I had 6 guys from the 10th come to my gym and test me out. No problem I always had an open door policy to come in and try. Anyway after class one of the guys asked me if I noticed anything during our wrestling match. I said not really, he lifted up his shirt and was packing a loaded weapon. That was an eyeopener for me, I thought if I train BJJ in it's traditional manner, so was every other BJJ guy. In other words, training without weapon awareness or weapon deployment when on the ground. That would all change..

I worked closely with a few of the members of the 10th, especially Paul Pawella. Paul was also a student of Mas Ayoob and eventually I taught and introduced the system up at LFI Lethal Force Institute in NH..

I explain to the students the importance of ground fighting but emphasis don't confuse the sport of submission with the real world of knives, guns and multiple opponents. And people reading this shouldn't either.
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As far as battle gear and not allowing your body to move, shrimp etc....I agree, deploy your weapon and forget the subs...

As far as MMA goes and the Dias brothers, you guys are right on. Boxing doesn't have to worry about take downs, so the MMA boxer has a wider stance to sprawl, clinch etc, and wrestler don't worry about kicks and strikes, but the MMA grappler does, so he addresses single and double leg a little differently.

MMA is it's own sport now....Great sport.


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