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handing out copies of your teaching certs...
This is a discussion on handing out copies of your teaching certs... within the Training Techniques forums, part of the General category; Watertown has a new(er) rule that not only does everyone have to take a safety course within 9 months of ...
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05-28-2012, 02:57 PM #1NES Member
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handing out copies of your teaching certs...
Watertown has a new(er) rule that not only does everyone have to take a safety course within 9 months of a renewal or new license, but now they require a copy of the instructor's certificate.
Aside from it being a completely offensive requirement, are there any compelling reasons to *not* give copies of my NRA and/or SP cert. to my students?
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05-28-2012, 03:17 PM #2Training Counselor
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Notify Comm2A about this. Is it posted on their website or do you have anything in writing?
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05-28-2012, 03:44 PM #3NES Member
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Since the Watertown PD (or any other PD) can easily verify an instructor's credentials, the only explanation for this requirement is to create an additional obstical to licensing and further discourage gun ownership in Watertown.
I'm so surprised.
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05-28-2012, 04:57 PM #4NES Member
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http://www.watertownpd.org/detectives/fid_ltc/ltc.html
Originally Posted by scouter-rick
yea, I'll contact Comm2A, this is completely bogus. Imagine if you needed to get a copy of your driver's-Ed instructor's certificate before getting a driver's license.... An applicant must submit all of the following:
- A detailed letter to Chief Edward Deveau giving all the particulars for wanting to carry a firearm.
- Proof of citizenship. i.e., birth or naturalization certificate.
- Proof of residency. i.e., copy of a utility bill
- Written verification that you have recently (within 6-9 months) completed a firearms safety course approved by the Colonel of State Police. This course must be taught by a state approved firearms instructor. You must present a copy of the instructor's certification. This is required for NEW license applications. For RENEWAL applications you must show written verification that you have recently (within 6-9 months) been instructed in the proper care and safe use of handguns by a State, NRA, or Mass Criminal Justice Training Council certified instructor. You must present a copy of the instructor's certification.
- Two letters of reference.
Last edited by milktree; 05-28-2012 at 05:00 PM.
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05-28-2012, 05:01 PM #5Training Counselor
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As I read this they are not looking for copies of the Instructor's credentials... they are looking for the Mass. BFS Certification (In other words your completion certificate) from the instructor which is required everywhere. I think you are reading this incorrectly.
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05-28-2012, 05:31 PM #6NES Member
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I hope you're right. Originally Posted by scouter-rick
However, that's a really weird way of saying that. I've never heard that phrase for it. Waltham's website says, "You must have completed a basic firearms safety course taught by a State certified instructor. Certificate MUST accompany application." Arlington says, "A Massachusetts Basic Firearms Safety Certificate issued by a certified Instructor is required for a first time LTC or FID Card." Those are typical of what I've read, and match my understanding of English grammar.
The phrase "instructor's certification" really sounds like certification issued *to* me, not *by* me.
I suppose I could call the Watertown PD and ask. But it's more fun to be outraged, right? :)
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Next thing they'll be asking for is a copy of your last colonoscopy.... What a crock. Originally Posted by milktree
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Well, they wanna know that before they F**K you, you have a clean bill of health!
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05-29-2012, 03:59 PM #10Appleseed Instructor
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I have to admit, they way they phrase it makes it seem like they want a copy of the instructor's certificate - not the one he signs for the student, but the one that the INSTRUCTOR got from the NRA or the MASP. Originally Posted by scouter-rick
Did anyone call them up to verify what they have on there and what they mean?"When I see how few who talked so largely of death and honour are around me, and that those who are here are those whom it was least expected, I am lost in wonder and surprise. Your noisy Sons of Liberty are, I find, the very quietest in the field. An engagement or even the expectation of one gives a wonderful insight into character."
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