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    Default 1903A4 Gibbs Rilfe

    Well my three month wait for my Gibbs reproduction 1903A4 arrived.

    First let me say that I bought this rifle for a couple reasons, one I always wanted a 1903 sniper rifle. Either the real McCoy or a really good reproduction. Well after the recent surplus cover story on this rifle I was sold......The receivers were bought from CMP and were refinished and blueprinted. They made their own bolts and installed their own barrels. They made the sight bases and found a scope company to make a scope to the specs of the original weaver scope found on the 1903A4 rifle. Used Walnut CMP stocks with all the correct markings.

    I am pulling the box open and inside is a black gun case....I open it slowly and inside is my rifle. First thing I notice. The butt plate has a gap at the base almost a half an inch. I then look at the base plate. Its got bang marks all over it from someone pinging it with a hammer. I then look at the bolt handle, its still in the white! Now the killer, the space between the receiver and tang area of the stock is close to an half an inch. Then it gets worse. The scope company but the wind-age and elevation adjustment knobs on backwards.

    So should I send my $900 rifle back and hope the next one wont be as bad or just give up and by the Yugo Sniper on sale at Century . $1200 with 900 rounds of 8mm ammo to boot.

    I have to tell you with all the hype about these rifes and how this company takes pride in the assembly of each rifle they must have given those folks the day off. Mine looks like a monkey put it together. Needless to say I am and at the same time.

    What should I do, return it and get my money back or keep it. They are hard as hell to get.HELP FOLKS
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    It's your choice but definitely return it either way. That sucks! The article had nothing but good things to say about them so it had me sold too, but you're the first person who I've known who got one so I'm not sure if it's a common thing or not Either way, make sure to let them know how unacceptable it is and I'm sure they'll try to make it right
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    For $900 there is no way you should keep it, up to you but I would get my money back or ask for a replacement from them. One would think a company like that would have good quality control.

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    Get the Yugo M76 and hold out for a real 03A4. You can still find them at decent prices now and then. Just put word out that you're looking for one.

    Oh... and when you get the M76, you have to bring it to Mansfield so I can shoot it because thats the only way I'll probably ever fire one.

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    Hard to get , or near impossible, I would still return it.

    The defects and assembly damage that you mention is simply unacceptable. And to keep it as-is sends a message back to program/company that they should not be getting. Namely, shipping a rifle in this condition is acceptable.

    Take a bunch of digital images of this puppy in order to verify "received condition", and then send it packing.

    That really stinks.
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    I have to agree with the others, Fred. Send that piece of crap back! It's a repro - nothing to cry about. Get the Yugo and have at it!

    Definitely take pictures and definitely let them know how disappointed you are. I wouldn't even give them the opportunity to "make it right."

    And you WILL run across a real 1903 sniper some day - hold out for the real thing.

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    Well folks I contacted the dealer I bought the rifle from who in turn contacted Gibbs. I received a telephone call from a Gibbs representative directly. They apologized and will be shipping a rifle to me by Wednesday overnight shipping. They are sending a call tag for the rifle I have. All in all I am OK with their response. Maybe I am to forgiving but I am willing to give them a second chance. I will keep you posted on how I make out.

    As to the Yugo, I already ordered it....so I guess I will have an early Christmas present to myself Ray, you can be one of the first to try out the Yugo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50 BMG View Post
    Well my three month wait for my Gibbs reproduction 1903A4 arrived.

    First let me say that I bought this rifle for a couple reasons, one I always wanted a 1903 sniper rifle. Either the real McCoy or a really good reproduction. Well after the recent surplus cover story on this rifle I was sold......The receivers were bought from CMP and were refinished and blueprinted. They made their own bolts and installed their own barrels. They made the sight bases and found a scope company to make a scope to the specs of the original weaver scope found on the 1903A4 rifle. Used Walnut CMP stocks with all the correct markings.

    I am pulling the box open and inside is a black gun case....I open it slowly and inside is my rifle. First thing I notice. The butt plate has a gap at the base almost a half an inch. I then look at the base plate. Its got bang marks all over it from someone pinging it with a hammer. I then look at the bolt handle, its still in the white! Now the killer, the space between the receiver and tang area of the stock is close to an half an inch. Then it gets worse. The scope company but the wind-age and elevation adjustment knobs on backwards.

    So should I send my $900 rifle back and hope the next one wont be as bad or just give up and by the Yugo Sniper on sale at Century . $1200 with 900 rounds of 8mm ammo to boot.

    I have to tell you with all the hype about these rifes and how this company takes pride in the assembly of each rifle they must have given those folks the day off. Mine looks like a monkey put it together. Needless to say I am and at the same time.

    What should I do, return it and get my money back or keep it. They are hard as hell to get.HELP FOLKS
    Too late. I would have advised you to just return it. I will be impressed if they do
    right by you and send you something worthwhile.
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    what you got was a restored parade gun,that was welded.I have just gone thru a very disapointment.I bought a parade rifle and the bottom has been
    milled out right thru the lugs.for a $140+13 shipping I got a piece of junk.
    GIBBS RIFLE AKA NAVY ARMS AKA OLD WESTERN SCROUNGER AKA VAL FORGETT.
    I just had a talk with my seller the ATF found out the guns were being restored and made them destroy the rest.hope you dont have a visit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDCATT View Post
    what you got was a restored parade gun,that was welded.I have just gone thru a very disapointment.I bought a parade rifle and the bottom has been
    milled out right thru the lugs.for a $140+13 shipping I got a piece of junk.
    GIBBS RIFLE AKA NAVY ARMS AKA OLD WESTERN SCROUNGER AKA VAL FORGETT.
    I just had a talk with my seller the ATF found out the guns were being restored and made them destroy the rest.hope you dont have a visit.
    The company states they bought the receivers from CMP. Each rifle has its own serial number which is new, not C+R eligible. The barrels are clearly marked Gibbs and are new. The stocks are CMP which is clearly marked.

    I am aware of the parade rifles you speak of but these are not one in the same. Gibbs even manufactures their own bolts.

    I am going to think positive folks. Hey worse case, I send the second one back.
    I am not sure what you mean by hope you don't get a visit. The rifle is booked out to me via a FFL.
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