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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    you might as well petition the residents of the state to recall Fat Ted for drinking too much.

    It's a great idea but it stands no chance in this communist state.
    Will you stand beside it?
    Just call me Carl.

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    It's a great idea but it stands no chance in this communist state.
    "On behalf of" bills are almost always doomed no matter how meritorious. A rep must file any bill submitted by a citizen - these are often referred to as "on behalf of" bills and bear that designation to tag them as submitted by a lowly subject, not an elected leader. They are generally ignored ("referred for study").

    The filing gives the person submitting it a great feeling, but the only way a bill is going to have more than the proverbial snowball's chance is to get the rep to submit it as their bill, not a constituent submitted one.

    Screwball on behalf of bills are proposed by the other side every year, including things like million dollar liability policies required for gun ownership. Although it can be discouraging to see citizen submitted bills routinely ignored, I'm not sure the alternative of a straight up/down vote on every crazy anti gun bill would be better than the current system.
    Check out the USPSA Northeast Section at www.uspsa-ne.org, and the USPSA nationals site at www.uspsa.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Boudrie View Post
    "On behalf of" bills are almost always doomed no matter how meritorious. A rep must file any bill submitted by a citizen - these are often referred to as "on behalf of" bills and bear that designation to tag them as submitted by a lowly subject, not an elected leader. They are generally ignored ("referred for study").

    The filing gives the person submitting it a great feeling, but the only way a bill is going to have more than the proverbial snowball's chance is to get the rep to submit it as their bill, not a constituent submitted one.

    Screwball on behalf of bills are proposed by the other side every year, including things like million dollar liability policies required for gun ownership. Although it can be discouraging to see citizen submitted bills routinely ignored, I'm not sure the alternative of a straight up/down vote on every crazy anti gun bill would be better than the current system.
    If every ma based member of NES petitioned their rep, thats a lot of push.
    A defeatest(sp?) attitude is defeated.
    Just call me Carl.

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    If every ma based member of NES petitioned their rep, thats a lot of push.
    A defeatest(sp?) attitude is defeated.
    True, but the more effective way to petition a rep is to work to get them to introduce the bill, rather than go the "on behalf of" route.

    Anyone on this list got some good examples of on behalf of bills that were passed an enacted?
    Check out the USPSA Northeast Section at www.uspsa-ne.org, and the USPSA nationals site at www.uspsa.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Boudrie View Post
    True, but the more effective way to petition a rep is to work to get them to introduce the bill, rather than go the "on behalf of" route.

    Anyone on this list got some good examples of on behalf of bills that were passed an enacted?
    OK. But what if my local rep hasn't the sack! (I'm going to find out)
    Just call me Carl.

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    I asked my Rep to file a bill on behalf of all veterans to reduce the cost of a veterans plate
    to a normal cost seeing as how vets ought to get some consideration for their service, versus
    making it a vanity plate. The purpose of this bill was to get some notoriety for the vets
    without it costing an arm and a leg. Supposedly the reason the vets plate cost more was
    to fund veterans services but I cannot find out how much of it goes to vets. I felt the
    since the GD state funds every damn social handout imaginable that the least they could
    do is come up with the pittance that vets plate provide. Rep Harkins office said they would
    submit it but they wanted it modified and I was adamant that it not be. They didn't do
    anything with it and they wouldn't return my phone calls or let me know what was done
    with it. Freakin' scumbags...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Boudrie View Post
    "On behalf of" bills are almost always doomed no matter how meritorious. A rep must file any bill submitted by a citizen - these are often referred to as "on behalf of" bills and bear that designation to tag them as submitted by a lowly subject, not an elected leader. They are generally ignored ("referred for study").

    The filing gives the person submitting it a great feeling, but the only way a bill is going to have more than the proverbial snowball's chance is to get the rep to submit it as their bill, not a constituent submitted one.

    Screwball on behalf of bills are proposed by the other side every year, including things like million dollar liability policies required for gun ownership. Although it can be discouraging to see citizen submitted bills routinely ignored, I'm not sure the alternative of a straight up/down vote on every crazy anti gun bill would be better than the current system.
    I am working to get Representative Poirier to sponsor this bill. I'm giving her all the ammo she needs. If others want to contact her office and mention this bill and ask for her to support / sponsor it. I have NO ISSUE with that. Go for it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SemiAutoSam View Post
    A lot of states are doing this.
    http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...w&pageId=88218


    Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty
    Obama's $1 trillion deficit-spending 'stimulus plan' seen as last straw

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    Posted: February 06, 2009
    11:50 pm Eastern


    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily



    Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon
    NEW YORK – As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level.

    So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

    Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania.

    "What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state's business," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND.

    "Congress is completely out of line spending trillions of dollars over the last 10 years putting the nation into a debt crisis like we've never seen before," Brogdon said, arguing that the Obama stimulus plan is the last straw taxing state patience in the brewing sovereignty dispute.

    "This particular 111th Congress is the biggest bunch of over-reachers and underachievers we've ever had in Congress," he said.

    "A sixth-grader should realize you can't borrow money to pay off your debt, and that is the Obama administration's answer for a stimulus package," he added.

    The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Brogdon, the lead sponsor of the Oklahoma state senate version of the sovereignty bill, has been a strong opponent of extending the plan to build a four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor parallel to Interstate-35 to Oklahoma, as WND reported.

    Rollback federal authority

    The various sovereignty measures moving through state legislatures are designed to reassert state authority through a rollback of federal authority under the powers enumerated in the Constitution, with the states assuming the governance of the non-enumerated powers, as required by the Tenth Amendment.

    The state sovereignty measures, aimed largely at the perceived fiscal irresponsibility of Congress in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have gained momentum with the $1 trillion deficit-spending economic stimulus package the Obama administration is currently pushing through Congress.

    Particularly disturbing to many state legislators are the increasing number of "unfunded mandates" that have proliferated in social welfare programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid, in which bills passed by Congress dictate policy to the states without providing funding.

    In addition, the various state resolutions include discussion of a wide range of policy areas, including the regulation of firearms sales (Montana) and the demand to issue drivers licenses with technology to embed personal information under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and the Real ID Act (Michigan).

    Hawaii's measure calls for a new state constitutional convention to return self-governance, a complaint that traces back to the days it was a U.S. territory, prior to achieving statehood in 1959.

    "We are trying to send a message to the federal government that the states are trying to reclaim their sovereignty," Republican Rep. Matt Shea, the lead sponsor of Washington's sovereignty resolution told WND.

    "State sovereignty has been eroded in so many areas, it's hard to know where to start," he said. "There are a ton of federal mandates imposed on states, for instance, on education spending and welfare spending."

    Shea said the Obama administration's economic stimulus package moving through Congress is a "perfect example."

    "In the state of Washington, we have increased state spending 33 percent in the last three years and hired 6,000 new state employees, often using federal mandates as an excuse to grow state government," he said. "We need to return government back down to the people, to keep government as close to the local people as possible."

    Shea is a private attorney who serves with the Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide network of about 1,000 attorneys who work pro-bono. As a counter to the ACLU, the alliance seeks to protect and defend religious liberty, the sanctity of life and traditional family values.

    Republican state Rep. Judy Burges, the primary sponsor of the sovereignty resolution in the Arizona House, told WND the federal government "has been trouncing on our constitutional rights."

    "The real turning point for me was the Real ID act, which involved both a violation of the Fourth Amendments rights against the illegal searches and seizures and the Tenth Amendment," she said.

    Burges told WND she is concerned that the overreaching of federal powers could lead to new legislation aimed at confiscating weapons from citizens or encoding ammunition.

    "The Real ID Act was so broadly written that we are afraid that it involves the potential for "mission-creep," that could easily involve confiscation of firearms and violations of the Second Amendment," she said.

    Burges said she has been surprised at the number of e-mails she has received in support of the sovereignty measure.

    "We are a sovereign state in Arizona, not a branch of the federal government, and we need to be treated as such, she insisted.


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    This is the kind of "ammo" I need guys. Keep it coming. Send it to Elizabeth Poirier if you're one of her direct constituents or just call her office (+1 (617) 722-2100) on Monday and ask Elaine to tell her you support the "States Rights Resolution" submitted by me (Ron Bokleman) and wanted her to know. BE POLITE!!

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    People are also starting to re seat the de jure state governments.

    I have posted a bit about it, If you want more info I could 3 way call you into one of the nomination group calls.



    Quote Originally Posted by ronbok View Post
    This is the kind of "ammo" I need guys. Keep it coming. Send it to Elizabeth Poirier if you're one of her direct constituents or just call her office (+1 (617) 722-2100) on Monday and ask Elaine to tell her you support the "States Rights Resolution" submitted by me (Ron Bokleman) and wanted her to know. BE POLITE!!
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    I'd really like to see this go thru and thank Ron for all his work, but since MA and DC have nearly the same philosophy for 'governing', it won't go thru.

    Right now they're way too much alike for our state congress critters (I can't really call them representatives) to vote for something like this.

    But don't let me stand in anyone's way...I've been wrong before. I hope I am now.
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