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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Well im glad he defeated the odds, there are few occasions were people sober up for good and live a normal life.

    If on the other hand a person is out of control to the point of multiple cited DWI and other run ins with the law because of his or her drunken beligerance, then yes i think that person should not own firearms what so ever. Until they can prove they are sober for good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glockaholic View Post
    No, but an alcoholic is responsible for their actions while drinking, and if they did something that makes them a PP, or statutorily DQ'd then they own it.

    Sobriety is not a get out of jail free card (so says the guy with 10 years, 9 months and 7 days of sobriety)
    Its the sick, backward, logic of people like the two of you that creates gun control in the first place. Life is complicated, and there's a lot of responsibility involved. Stupidity in general is dangerous, to you and others. Taking away a drivers license doesn't prohibit driving just as gun control doesn't keep guns out of criminals hands. If these people can't be trusted to be part of society, then they need to be locked up... none of this half-way bullshit. Should they be free or not?

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    maybe I was not clear, if someone screws up while drunk, they own the consequences.

    trust me nobody knows that better than I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glockaholic View Post
    maybe I was not clear, if someone screws up while drunk, they own the consequences.

    trust me nobody knows that better than I

    Congrats glockaholic! My father is a success story.....had 20 years of sobriety under his belt before he passed away.

    Everyone else.....thanks for the information and the opinions.....they are all very enlightening. THe bottom line here is my buddy is struggling and has a background that will probably prohibit him from LEGALLY purchasing a fie arm.....which is what his family and I are hoping for.

    Hiltonizer.....you are right.....making him PP can't stop him from ILLEGALLY purchasing a fire arm just like taking his license did not stop him from driving drunk even after he lost it. But the info I have received is enough to put his father at ease that he won't be able obtain a fire arm easily anyway.

    I've received all the info I need from the members here so mods feel free to lock this if you feel fit......it seems like the discussion may get ugly soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Let me ask you this, would you be ok with pounding down a six pack or what ever gets you buzzed and then head out to the range? You dont think your gun handling eticate will me impaired? Would you want to shoot next to a person in such condition?
    No, I wouldn't. That's exactly why I'm not a danger. I also wouldn't get fully loaded and go driving my truck either. I don't even like to go down my basement stairs after several pops.

    But that's exactly my point, you say people that would shouldn't have access to guns... but we still can't stop people from doing stupid shit... all we do is make things more difficult for us. This is a half-baked system. Either habitually wreckless people need to be dealt with comprehensively, or we need to accept their existence without expense to the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Im glad we feel the same way!

    Yes, certain people are a total danger to themself and others once they have gone off the deep end and start developing a record,they have made it difficult for themselves single-handedly. Why cant you comprehend that?
    I think the lack of comprehension is on your end.

    What i'm saying is, that gun control is a farce. If there are people out there too dumb or too dangerous to have one, they are a danger to society in general.. not just because of guns. So lets deal with the people directly, not create gun specific laws. You seem to be advocating gun control which effects us all.

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