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08-02-2010, 12:13 AM #1
Important Question about Mass FID-Compliant Rifles
I live in MA and am an FID Card holder. I have been looking for weeks for a high quality rifle that meets Mass FID criteria. I am looking for a relatively cheap rifle (under 500$) that shoots relatively cheap ammo.
I was originally looking at the Hi-Point 995TS rifle for the cheap price and cheap 9mm ammo, however, discovered that the company ProMag sells a 15 round clip for this rifle, making the rifle classified as a high-capacity rifle, which is not allowed to FID holders.
I was recently told that the SKS Rifle is FID-Compliant, and wanted to make sure that it would be legal for me to buy/carry this rifle with an MA FID card. If this is in fact legal and FID-Compliant, I was hoping somebody could recommend a good gun store in Mass. that I could call and ask if they have this rifle in stock, and take a trip down there to buy it. Or at least a website that I could order the rifle from.
If anyone has any input on exactly whether or not the SKS Carbine is legal to possess with an FID Card, I would appreciate it. Or if anybody has any other suggestions on good rifles that meet FID criteria it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank in advance,
08-02-2010, 12:16 AM #2
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If HiPoint doesn't make ship the gun to distributors with high cap mags from the factory, it's FID compliant. I live in a free state and that's how they're shipped, so my guess is that's the case, but the only way to be sure would be to check the companies website, or maybe a distributors website or two.
Also check out this thread.
08-02-2010, 12:20 AM #3
Ruger Mini-14 is a great choice. You can get it in .223 and also (I think) 7.62x39. FID ok. Can find em used for about $500. Good luck!Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. - Galatians 5:1, King James Bible
08-02-2010, 12:48 AM #4
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Wecome to NES peteyb!
GSG is right, if it doesn't ship from the manufacturer (to ANY state) with a magazine in excess of 10 rounds, it is FID compliant.
Partial list (~$500 or less) from my post in the thread GSG linked to...
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08-02-2010, 12:59 AM #5
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08-02-2010, 01:17 AM #6
Thanks alot you guys +rep for all of you.
@GSG and Kevlar - Thanks a ton. I always thought that if you could buy an aftermarket hi-cap magazine from any manufacturer for a rifle, that the rifle is considered high-capacity. From what I'm understanding, a rifle is only high-capacity if the "oringinal manufacturer" (as in the company that manufactures the gun) sells the rifle with a hi-cap mag. If the original manufacturer (in this case Hi-Point) does not sell a mag over 10 rounds, then it is considered FID-Compliant, correct?
I'm just trying to make certain that if I purchase the Hi-Point 995TS in 9mm that I will be 100% legal with a Mass. FID Card. Like GSG said in his thread, it is very easy to be breaking the law with an FID card and not even know it. By the way thanks for the great info in the thread you posted on FID laws, GSG. I have never been in trouble for anything police realted so it should not apply to me, but those are very good things to know. I will keep them in mind and pass them along to some of my friends.
So from what I understand, both the stock SKS and the Hi-Point 995TS are Mass FID-Compliant. Do either of you have any opinions on these guns as to which one is better, more reliable. I am only planning on using the rifle as a target shooter at my local range, not considering for a home defense weapon.
PS - This may sound kind of stupid, but when they say that a high-capacity rifle holds more than 10 rounds, does that include the chamber. As in, if a rifle has 10 rounds in its magazine, and can hold one round in the chamber, does that technically make it an 11-round rifle?
Thanks again for all your help. I appreciate it.
08-02-2010, 01:24 AM #7
No, the chamber doesn't count. It's the capacity of a magazine that must be 10 or less for FID compliance.
Also just wanted to clarify something in this phrase in your OP:
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08-02-2010, 02:07 AM #8
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For instance, the KelTec P-11 pistol is shipped with a 10 round mag, even to free states in the US. KelTec sells a 12 round flush fitting P-11 magazine on their website, but they don't ship it with the gun to anyone in the US, so the gun isn't "large capacity" in Mass. (although it's important to note, if you have a high cap mag in the gun, it automatically becomes large capacity, even if it wasn't ever shipped with one). KelTec mags aren't even made by KelTec for that matter, they're made by MecGar for KelTec, but that has nothing to do with your questions.
Something else to keep in mind. Just because the gun is legal doesn't mean that a gunshop will sell it to you if you have an FID. Some FFL's in Mass. are so afraid of the laws that they make up new ones in their head to follow. This is why some won't sell an FID holder a Ruger 10/22 or other similar BS. So if you're going to order one, make it clear to the FFL that you have an FID, it is legal for you to buy and own, and confirm that they will sell it to you. You don't want to pay for it, come back to pick up the gun and have them refuse the sale or other similar drama.
08-02-2010, 02:33 AM #9
Ok thanks GSG. I think I understand now. A rifle is only considered high-capacity if they sell the gun WITH a hi-cap mag, not as an additional accessory. Wow, I just looked at the first paragraph or so of your little known gun law violations thread and my heads already spinning. I'm gonna finish up reading the whole thread right after I post this.
I trust you when you say that the Hi-Point 995Ts is 100% legal for a Mass. FID Card holder. I have heard others say that the SKS is also FID-Compliant, but noone from this site has said such a thing, so I will wait for another reputable member on this forum to say so before I even consider (The others that said the SKS was legal for FID holders were on a different forum and took several days to even respond to my question. Thanks to GSG, Kevlar, LenS, and whatluck for getting back to me so quickly).
I have also heard that buying guns with an FID can be a problem as well, so I will make sure that the FFL (or gun-store owner if I can find a Mass. store that sells the 995) is aware that I only have an FID and not an LTC. I was also trying to be careful to aviod the opposite of what you said. As in, a gun shop or FFL will sell me a gun with an FID card, even though it is not legal for me to possess such a rifle. Now that you have confirmed that the 995TS is legal for an FID holder, I will have to defitinitely make sure that they will sell the gun to me, cuz as you said, I don't want to pay for an FFL to transfer me a gun only to have them deny me the sale when I go to pick it up. Thanks for all the help, hopefully someone on this site knows 100% whether the SKS is also Mass. FID-Compliant, and then I can decide on whether to go with the SKS or the 995TS. I also need to find a gun store in Mass. where I can go and buy one of these 2 rifles, cuz I am trying to avoid the charge of having an FFL transfer a gun to me through an online store. Thanks again.
08-02-2010, 02:42 AM #10
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