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03-17-2005, 11:45 AM #1
EVERY SHOOTER Should Get a C&R FFL!
3/6/14 - Please see Post # 1940 for latest links (seems that they change them annually)!
1/25/2011 - I am modifying this post as links are all broken (gov't changes URLs with every administration change in DC! ).
Info on the C&R FFL (Curios & Relics Collectors - NOT a dealer):
Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Curios & Relics | ATF
Call the local BATFE office (Boston, Springfield, Hartford, etc.) and request the C&R FFL application, forms and booklets, or go to the following URL and download them (they now allow us to do this).
Forms - ATF F 5310.16 Instructions | ATF
Actual PDF forms are here:
F 5310.16 (F 7CR) - http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16.pdf
F 5310.20 - http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf
NOTE: In spite of the application saying that ALL info MUST be supplied in item 9, the DIRECTIONS under Privacy Act (para 4) state clearly that the SSN is VOLUNTARY (and NOT mandatory). I don't suggest providing SSN, but that is just me. [I never did/do and have never been denied . . . except by MSP for BFS Instructor Certification and that is about to be resolved or face litigation in Federal Court.]
You can download or order the following pubs (they will be sent to you when you get your C&R FFL anyway):
ATF P 5300.11 & Update - C&R List (1972-2007)
ATF P 5300.5 - State Laws and Published Ordinance - 2008
Cost is $30.00/3 years. You MUST to notify your local Chief that you applied (by giving a copy of the form ONLY) but you do NOT need your local chief's approval!
There ARE record-keeping requirements and BATFE can audit your records, but that is rare unless they are looking for someone/something.
I'll discuss the reasons you should do this in a reply.
NOTE: If you are waiting a long, long time for your C&R FFL and want to check your application status, the number (as of 2012) is: (866) 662-2750 for the Licensing Center.
ETA (7/18/2013) - If you move:
Take your current ORIGINAL 03 and mail it in to the address on it with a short signed letter, stating that you've moved. You should send a courtesy copy (so marked) to the chief of police in your new town (or the State Police/Sheriff IFF there IS no PD your my town - some tiny towns in some states don't have a local police force).
Last edited by Len-2A Training; 03-06-2014 at 10:29 AM.
03-17-2005, 11:52 AM #2
Why Should I Have a C&R FFL?
You ask "Why should I have a C&R FFL?"
- C&R FFLs can obtain C&R eligible (ONLY) firearms anywhere in the US in a face-to-face transaction or have them shipped DIRECTLY to the C&R FFL! [This assumes no state law to the contrary. This works for MA.]
- C&R FFLs can thus purchase handguns that DEALER FFLs can NOT sell in MA! [Chapter 180 prohibited "Purveyors" of firearms from selling firearms that are untested, not on the List, etc. But since C&R FFLs are NOT Dealers ("purveyors") they are EXEMPT from this portion of the law.]
- C&R FFLs get Wholesale pricing from places like: Brownells, Midway USA, Grafs, etc. This can easily save you >$30.00 over the 3 years.
03-19-2005, 12:10 PM #3- C&R FFLs can thus purchase handguns that DEALER FFLs can NOT sell in MA! [Chapter 180 prohibited "Purveyors" of firearms from selling firearms that are untested, not on the List, etc. But since C&R FFLs are NOT Dealers ("purveyors") they are EXEMPT from this portion of the law.]
I hope I am reading this right,I have been wanting a USP for a while,but I don't want a used one.
03-19-2005, 03:44 PM #4
03-19-2005, 06:27 PM #5
I went to that link and had the c&r forms sent to me :)
Somehow I think I can't get a USP using this c&r license.I was under the impression this was a way to get firearms over 50 years old or on the BATF c&r list.
03-19-2005, 11:44 PM #6
Greg has it right. C&R eligible guns are those >50 yrs old or on a special list published by BATFE.
So no USPs for ~40 more years. :(
BTW, nothing wrong with used guns, as long as they weren't abused. H&K gives a lifetime warranty anyway. Both my USP Compacts were purchased used and I saved ~$50 on the first one (it was only 2 weeks old prior to the owner trading for a Glock) or ~$200 on the second one.
One trip to the range and my guns become "used" . . . IMNSHO not worth $100 or more just to be the "first shot" on a gun.
03-22-2005, 08:36 AM #7
- Join Date
- Mar 2005
Best $30.00 dollar investment you can make! Once you have the 03 FFL there's a hell of a lot of bargains out there dealing with C&R eligible firearms. Hell, for $60.00 dollars you can pick up a Mosin-Nagant M44 or M38 rifle in 7.62X54R that you can use for deer hunting. How bout a CZ52 arsenal refinished pistol in 7.62X25 for a $100.00 bucks! Then there's the deals you can get on surplus ammo from various distributors (FFL holders only) once they have your FFL on file. Take the time and apply, you'll be happy you did!
03-23-2005, 07:41 AM #8
Sent my app to the BATF for a C&R a few weeks ago. I can't wait.
03-25-2005, 02:10 PM #9
- Join Date
- Mar 2005
While your waiting, get your "intro" letter ready to be mailed out with a copy of your FFL to all the dealers (SOG, CENTURY, etc). You can also send one to Brownells. Although they are not C&R dealers they will give you a discount on any purhases. If you have a scanner, scan your license (unsigned) when you get it and save it to disk. Makes it easier to print out copies when you need em (and you will). If you havn't experienced removing "aged" cosmolene from a firearm, get ready for a real treat! Here's a good site for some additional info on C&R firearms:
03-28-2005, 11:27 AM #10
Thanks Ctgunner. Ya I can't wait to get it.
Nothing better than cleaning old cosmo. Got my first workout on a CMP H&R M1 USGI. The stuff was everywhere. No better way to learn how to strip a rifle down than having to clean all that stuff off!