Pistol tac reload - which do you use and why - Page 2

JimConway · 11-03-2009, 08:07 AM

Jar has pointed out one basic problem with IDPA type matches. This is a problem with all matches that claim to be tactical. That is the need to score the match and have a winner. To win you must shoot well in the least time. A few years ago a group of Gunsite graduates set up an elaborate optional "Fun House Type" stage at a major IDPA match. about 100 shooters shot this stage and 90% of them were judged to have died.

As long an you can differentiate between real life and a game, you are fine. I know quite a few shooters that choose to shoot IDPA matches using real world tactics and accept their procedural penalties and their losing gracefully. They are getting good training. With that said, any trigger time is good trigger time. Please do not think that i am down on IDPA, because I am not. In fact, I have been an IDPA member for a lot of years

ipscdrl · 11-03-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by andy t

During my first class three years ago, we were taught that if there is a need to "top off" a pistol during a "lull" in a gunfight,

Be sure to practice this beacuse it happens all the time............

Gonzo · 11-03-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ipscdrl

Be sure to practice this beacuse it happens all the time............

You don't go to the mall to play Mortal Kombat often enough.

P-14 · 11-03-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ipscdrl

Be sure to practice this beacuse it happens all the time............

Sometimes, the gun runs out of bullets. Reloading during a lull minimizes this.

If you're serious about survival, you'll reload when there's an opportunity and "play" the way you practice.

JimConway · 11-03-2009, 03:17 PM

This weekend Dave Harrington commented that the reload from slide lock was the most common in his experience

soloman02 · 11-04-2009, 01:44 AM

I am not familiar with all the tacticool terms so I'll explain it without them:

In the NRA home protection class I took recently, the instructors recommended reloading when either the slide locks back (obviously) or if the mag is partially empty (and behind cover of course) to reload with a new full mag and discard the partial mag at your feet.

Jose · 11-04-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by soloman02

if the mag is partially empty (and behind cover of course) to reload with a new full mag and discard the partial mag at your feet.

Do not follow their advice to discard the partially empty mag. If you have time to top off the pistol, you have time to shove that partial mag in a pocket.

M1911 · 11-04-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by soloman02

I am not familiar with all the tacticool terms so I'll explain it without them:

The "tacticool" terms can be useful at times, ensuring that we are on the same page.

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In the NRA home protection class I took recently, the instructors recommended reloading when either the slide locks back (obviously) or if the mag is partially empty (and behind cover of course) to reload with a new full mag and discard the partial mag at your feet.

You may need those extra cartridges. As an NRA instructor certified to teach Personal Protection in the Home, I suggest that you stow that partial magazine in your pocket, rather than discard it at your feet.

JimConway · 11-04-2009, 08:40 AM

A police SWAT officer, that I train with, mentioned an embarrassing incident about dropping a mag at your feet. He did just that and the mag landed on the linoleum floor. Murphy then got involved as he stepped on said mag. Down he went. Luckily, this was a training exercise and nothing was hurt except his ego. He now throws the mag to the rear and out of his intended path.

Just some to think about and not very tacticool or flashy

andy t · 11-04-2009, 10:57 PM

+1.
That's why SouthNarc and others teach - regardless of the type of reload - to always gain control the outbound mag from the pistol with your support hand. If doing an "emergency" load, toss it far behind. This is also something I practice as well.

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Originally Posted by JimConway

A police SWAT officer, that I train with, mentioned an embarrassing incident about dropping a mag at your feet. He did just that and the mag landed on the linoleum floor. Murphy then got involved as he stepped on said mag. Down he went. Luckily, this was a training exercise and nothing was hurt except his ego. He now throws the mag to the rear and out of his intended path.

Just some to think about and not very tacticool or flashy

11-03-2009, 08:07 AM	#11
JimConway Instructor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brookline, NH and Pepperell, MA Posts: 1,179 iTrader: (2)	Jar has pointed out one basic problem with IDPA type matches. This is a problem with all matches that claim to be tactical. That is the need to score the match and have a winner. To win you must shoot well in the least time. A few years ago a group of Gunsite graduates set up an elaborate optional "Fun House Type" stage at a major IDPA match. about 100 shooters shot this stage and 90% of them were judged to have died. As long an you can differentiate between real life and a game, you are fine. I know quite a few shooters that choose to shoot IDPA matches using real world tactics and accept their procedural penalties and their losing gracefully. They are getting good training. With that said, any trigger time is good trigger time. Please do not think that i am down on IDPA, because I am not. In fact, I have been an IDPA member for a lot of years __________________ Jim Conway Staff Instructor - Neshooters, LLC www.neshooters.com 'Four Basic Truths of Violent Assault'; They will happen closer, faster, more suddenly and with more power than most people believe. - Sgt Rory Miller "You can always tell warriors. They don't reveal themselves in their saying, rather, they reveal themselves in their being."---Geoff Thompson Practice doesn't make perfect. Practice merely increases the likelihood of repeating what you practice ...perfect or not

11-03-2009, 03:17 PM	#15
JimConway Instructor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brookline, NH and Pepperell, MA Posts: 1,179 iTrader: (2)	This weekend Dave Harrington commented that the reload from slide lock was the most common in his experience __________________ Jim Conway Staff Instructor - Neshooters, LLC www.neshooters.com 'Four Basic Truths of Violent Assault'; They will happen closer, faster, more suddenly and with more power than most people believe. - Sgt Rory Miller "You can always tell warriors. They don't reveal themselves in their saying, rather, they reveal themselves in their being."---Geoff Thompson Practice doesn't make perfect. Practice merely increases the likelihood of repeating what you practice ...perfect or not

11-04-2009, 08:40 AM	#19
JimConway Instructor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brookline, NH and Pepperell, MA Posts: 1,179 iTrader: (2)	A police SWAT officer, that I train with, mentioned an embarrassing incident about dropping a mag at your feet. He did just that and the mag landed on the linoleum floor. Murphy then got involved as he stepped on said mag. Down he went. Luckily, this was a training exercise and nothing was hurt except his ego. He now throws the mag to the rear and out of his intended path. Just some to think about and not very tacticool or flashy __________________ Jim Conway Staff Instructor - Neshooters, LLC www.neshooters.com 'Four Basic Truths of Violent Assault'; They will happen closer, faster, more suddenly and with more power than most people believe. - Sgt Rory Miller "You can always tell warriors. They don't reveal themselves in their saying, rather, they reveal themselves in their being."---Geoff Thompson Practice doesn't make perfect. Practice merely increases the likelihood of repeating what you practice ...perfect or not

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11-04-2009, 01:44 AM	#16
soloman02 NES Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Durham, NH Posts: 351 iTrader: (0)	I am not familiar with all the tacticool terms so I'll explain it without them: In the NRA home protection class I took recently, the instructors recommended reloading when either the slide locks back (obviously) or if the mag is partially empty (and behind cover of course) to reload with a new full mag and discard the partial mag at your feet.