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Thread: The REAL Tea-Party Begins on July 4th (Starve the Beast!)

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    The REAL Tea-Party Begins on July 4th (Starve the Beast!)

    Who's with me and Karl Denninger?

    "Starve The Beast" - July 4th, 2009

    Perhaps its time.

    There have been a number of people on the forum talking about this, with one of the most recent converts being "iflyjetzzz".

    Look, we can rant and rave about market manipulation and government-sponsored games. We can petition the SEC, the FBI and Congress. We can demand that they stop it all we want.

    But they haven't and likely won't until and unless America gets pissed off enough to force them to act.

    So how do we make that happen, yet remain within the law?

    Its not that hard, and in the intermediate and longer-term it would be incredibly positive for our economy and nation.

    We go on a consumption strike until and unless our demands are met.

    What are our demands? Here's the list:

    * All the financial fraudsters are investigated, indicted, and prosecuted. This includes the con artists in CONgress who got "special deals" from Mozilo and his "Friends of Angelo" program (and who are blocking a subpoena to BofA as it would implicate them), it includes those past and current members of Government Sachs, and it includes all those other financial "professionals" who deceived Americans and others with their sale of toxic exploding mortgage products along with the securities supposedly backed by them.
    * Glass-Steagall is restored, in full, and all the firms that can't exist under it are broken up. Period.
    * The insider-trading that has become blatant and outrageous is prosecuted where illegal and where not, is made illegal and then prosecuted, with the focus being on the size of the scam. This includes obvious circumstances such as August 2007 (Bernanke's phone logs were FOIA'd) where trading patterns made clear that "certain someones" had foreknowledge of the discount rate cut along with Congresspeople who were briefed on the TARP and within hours or days made significant stock trades. Today if you're Martha Stewart you're prosecuted where if you make millions in an hour by exploiting government information "leaks" the SEC and FBI look the other way.
    * The Government withdraws all of its backstopping of financial firms who created this mess. All of it. If you're a bank or other firm and did something imprudent, you fail. Period. This is true whether you're a small regional bank (as is happening now; 5 in the last week) or a big behemoth like Citibank or Bank Of America. No "special deals", no "special guarantees", nothing of the kind. If the government wishes to avoid "systemic risk" then the government regulators can do their damn job.
    * The Fed disgorges all of its improperly-acquired MBS and other related securities. If it doesn't have a full-faith-and-credit guarantee and was bought, it is disgorged - period.
    * The Fed agrees to full annual audits without exception.
    * Those people inside government who conspired with certain bankers to cook the books, along with those in the banks who did so, go to jail. Our own Office of The Inspector General in the government has confirmed that there was an active conspiracy to break the law within the OTS, but not one indictment has been issued.
    * Those who committed fraud in the creation of this economic mess, whether they be mortgage lenders, those who packaged up securities while intentionally omitting credit information, those in the real estate industry to pressed for appraisal fraud and others are investigated, prosecuted and if convicted jailed. All of them.
    * Losses are born by those who made bad decisions, not the taxpayer generally. Those who made good decisions get to reap the benefits, while those who made bad decisions eat the losses. No exceptions.
    * Government cuts the annual budget deficit to zero. If government wants to blow the money it has to have the money. If they can't raise the money they don't spend it. It is time to live within our means and hold government to account for its profligate spending along with promises of "benefits" they know they cannot actually deliver down the road such as Medicare Part D.

    Until then the position of those who wish to join is simple: No non-essential purchases of anything are made. Period.

    What's an essential purchase? Here's the list:

    * Enough food to eat at home. No more eating out.
    * Rent and utilities.
    * Essential medical services.
    * Enough fuel to get to and from work.

    In addition any "excess withholding" is stopped; if you are getting a big fat refund from the IRS every year you are loaning the government your money at zero interest until April. Stop that; its stupid. Change your W4 so you get exactly nothing back or owe a tiny amount; if you pay estimates pay only that which you must and not one dime more.

    Note that it is unlawful to use your W4 to intentionally under-withhold, but you are in fact not obligated to pay one more dime in tax than you actually owe. There is nothing wrong with adjusting withholding to match (as close as you reasonably can) your actual tax obligation.

    Put the money you save (it will be a lot!) into a non-TARP Credit Union if you have one available to you, or a non-TARP local bank if you do not. Spend none of it.

    If we pledge to do this and not resume normal spending habits on wants as opposed to needs until and unless the budget is balanced, the bailouts are rolled back and those who committed fraud go to prison the government will be forced to act as they will simply run out of money.

    They cannot force you to buy that new iPOD or flatscreen TV, or to take an expensive vacation.

    Consumer spending is 70% of the economy.

    This is a consumer weapon that is more powerful than any other means of peaceful protest. Strangling the government and private business' ability to steal from us all by cutting off their revenue will force reform, and has the additional benefit of being exactly what this nation needs to provide a strong capital formation base when that reform is complete.


    If businesses want my money they can join in the chorus of voices demanding that government stop the looting and start prosecuting.

    Will any of us be perfect in this endeavor? No. There will be the occasional indulgence I'm sure no matter who we are. But I'm willing to bet we can shrink consumption - each and every one of us - by at least 10% without any real personal pain at all, and if we do so it will send an indelible message to those in government and business: cut that crap out!

    July 4th is Independence Day.

    Let's make it a day of freedom from the banksters and government financial marauders.

    Who's with me?
    Regards,
    Mike

    What if the American people learned the truth? | So afraid to open your eyes. | Got Liberty? | MOVE TO NEW HAMPSHIRE!


    "There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights."
    | Major General Smedley Butler

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    Seems kind of dumb given that a good portion of america is doing that already by need and not by "protest". People are having a de-facto consumption strike because a lot of people are out of work and can't afford to buy crap anyways.

    The thought is nice, but the idea would get lost in the noise because the effects wouldn't be functionally much different than those caused by the economy now.


    -Mike
    "Do this. Don't do that. Stay back in line. Where's tax receipt? Fill out form. Let's see license. Submit six copies. Exit only. No left turn. No right turn. Queue up and pay fine. Take back and get stamped. Drop dead— but first get permit. "

    -Robert Heinlein, The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress

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    I don't quite understand- but I don't claim to be clever with finances, that's just not my strong suit-

    1. There's just so many other things that are necessary, like birthday presents, the kids are invited to birthday parties, the kids get bored- so what are you going to do all summer?? Sit around the house?? Have to get a pool pass or go to the museum or SOMETHING- all summer long. You can only take them to the river or the library so often, it gets old quick, at least with my kids it does. It's only been a week and already they are climbing the walls. So what is this article talking about, not eating out and not buying new electronic gizmos? A good many people already do that, especially the ones without jobs. If you don't count fast food (under $10 total) then I don't eat out at all, maybe once every few months, if that- so what exactly would be different? Maybe $10-$20/week for four people in fast food?? Why exactly should I care about that?

    2. Say a bunch of people stop eating out- how does a restaurant going out of business help any? Doesn't it just impoverish your neighbors? How does Wal-mart care if people stop buying ipods? What does the local restaurant and Wally world have to do with the government doing anything? What, send a letter to your senator and say if the gov't doesn't meet the demands we'll starve our local businesses out? Wouldn't they just laugh in your face?

    3. O.k., great about adjusting the amount of tax you pay- that's the only thing that makes sense so far. Not understanding the rest-
    Things are what they are- regardless of what pretty thoughts a person might have in their head about them to the contrary.

    "America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
    -Claire Wolfe

    In memoriam: CT Pistol Permit Application, MIA since June 11, 2009

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    I think this sort of thing would be more successful if it were done as a "Do not consume outside your local community".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaynes68 View Post
    I think this sort of thing would be more successful if it were done as a "Do not consume outside your local community".
    I agree, The problem with a protest like this is you end up hurting your own community. Yes you will cut down on the tax money that the .gov gets however how many people in the community work at the local Dunks or 99 restaurants. if these companies dont make money, then they cant afford to pay the employees, go out of business, and then there is even more unemployment.
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    He forgot "Ammunition and Firearms" from the "essential purchases" list.

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    Would having everyone take an unpaid day off of protest work? Not sure if it is the best idea, but would at least deprive MA of their 5.3% cut of that days pay.
    "Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket...whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money; they will pass that money on to consumers." - The Messiah

    “I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students, the foreign students, the Chicanos, the Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performance poets" – Barack Obama


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilorfnannie View Post
    3. O.k., great about adjusting the amount of tax you pay- that's the only thing that makes sense so far.
    You should already be doing this just as good financial management, not as any kind of protest.
    (Ob. IANAL)

    "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi

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    It never occurred to me to adjust my W4 withholdings!

    I think I will. I have a lot of itemized deductions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdubois View Post
    You should already be doing this just as good financial management, not as any kind of protest.
    Agreed!
    Things are what they are- regardless of what pretty thoughts a person might have in their head about them to the contrary.

    "America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
    -Claire Wolfe

    In memoriam: CT Pistol Permit Application, MIA since June 11, 2009

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