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Carbide vs steel .223

This is a discussion on Carbide vs steel .223 within the Reloading forums, part of the Hardware category; On enos forum they don't recommend carbide dies unless doing 50k a year. Steel is fine, any comments or reasoning?...

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    On enos forum they don't recommend carbide dies unless doing 50k a year. Steel is fine, any comments or reasoning?
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    Even with carbide .223 Rem dies, you STILL HAVE TO LUBE THE BRASS prior to full length resizing.....

    The only thing that carbide dies do is last longer. So, I agree with the folks at Brian's site.

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    I've loaded over 100K .223 rounds with my steel dies and they're still going strong.
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    the only problem i've had with my rcbs steel dies is, the neck sizing ball wearing rather quickly leaving the id of the neck undersized. i've switched to a redding sizing die with a carbide sizing ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieCoyle View Post
    I've loaded over 100K .223 rounds with my steel dies and they're still going strong.
    Ditto (except a few fewer rounds).

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    Another question I have is should I resize on a Rockchuker and then throw them in the 650 or do it all in the Dillon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    Another question I have is should I resize on a Rockchuker and then throw them in the 650 or do it all in the Dillon?
    Do you have a case feeder?
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    E/C's question implies that if you have a case feeder, it will speed up the resizing operation. Otherwise, it doesn't matter.

    However.......

    Scooter, the answer to your question rests in the use of the dies for making ammo for what.........

    If the what answer is an AR-15 (semi auto gun), then you will have to be TRIMMING the brass to length between resizing and finishing up the reloading. In that case, you will have to do that trimming off line anyways, so it doesn't matter. Don't forget to deburr both the ID and the OD of the neck area after trimming. I typically full length resize in a single station press, trim in my Giraud trimmer, decrimp the primer pocket, and then send the brass through the reloading system normally (550b without a full length die in place in station 1)

    If the answer is a bolt action gun, then you can neck size only (different dies than normal steel full length resizing die), which eliminates most of the future trimming, but you still have to make sure that your once fired brass gets trimmed properly the first reload.

    So, whatever you want to do to handle the necessary trimming operation is fine. Don't bypass that step....

    You'll most likely have to deal with removing primer crimps also.... another off line operation, in most cases.
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    Does the brass need to be trimmed each time it is reloaded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipscdrl View Post
    Does the brass need to be trimmed each time it is reloaded?

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    No, it doesn't need trimming for each loading. Trim once to the minimum length, and you'll be good for several loadings. Or one match that you don't pick up the brass.

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