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How Long Do We (USA) Have?
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05-28-2007, 11:13 PM #1
How Long Do We (USA) Have?
Hmmmm....
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.
I have always heard about this democracy countdown, but have rarely seen it in print.
How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic, some 2000 years earlier:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."
"From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse, due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years"
"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"
We celebrated our bicentennial in 1976! Our 200 years have passed.
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Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
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05-29-2007, 12:15 AM #2
231 years and counting, good to see we are above avg."The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years"
Seems like an accelerated time frame to me, but the prospect of this happening should be a wake up call. Unfortunately I think it is falling on mostly deaf ears. Hopefully America recognizes what's happening before it is too late.If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
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05-29-2007, 12:44 AM #3Registered User
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Well OK but we are supposed to have a republic form of government aren't we ? I remember hearing it in the pledge of allegiance 30 or more years ago.
I say 30 or more as I don't want to completely give away that I'm a OLD SOB.
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government
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05-29-2007, 01:29 AM #4
Where do you think we are?
I figure we're, as a nation, somewhere in there around the apathy stage.5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"
I just hope there are enough of the non-apathetic types who aren't liberals. It's the militant liberals that will lead us right to dependence but quick...
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05-29-2007, 05:50 AM #5
6 or well into, but not quite 7
There is no longer a political solution to our problem
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05-29-2007, 06:39 AM #6Registered User
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I would say somewhere around apathy. Sad thing is that these days there isn't much difference between your average "conservative" or "liberal". In fact, the true meaning of those words has been lost.
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05-29-2007, 07:45 AM #7
This reminded me of an incident years ago where two of my coworkers were discussing the subject of all great democracies being temporary and the fact stated by one that this too (the US) shall pass.
Unfortunately it quickly devolved into a conversation of;
"No, it won't"
"Yes it will"
"No it won't"
"Yes it will"
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05-29-2007, 08:17 AM #8
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
As of late(Past 60ish years) we have demonstrated that we have not learned.
Currently we are in very late stage 6 and it looks to me like we are looking for a shortcut(National Healthcare/Amnesty/Wait for the Authorities/etc) to stage 8.
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It's apathy that scares me. I see apathy everywhere, from all walks of life and in all aspects. People don't care anymore about their government, society and even their own person. Whether it's the soccer mom next door who you never see because her life is just too busy. The college teen, or middleaged professional who is more interested in who will win American Idol over who will be the next President. The overweight redneck who blames everyone but himself for his 380lb frame. The long-term unemployed who really doesn't want a job that's "beneath him" and is happy to take handouts. The corporate world that doesn't care about making a profitable business because the government will give them a few billion. Apathy makes me sad.
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05-29-2007, 09:02 AM #10
Funny... last year I took a job that was "beneath me" (at least in skill level and pay!) because it was the only one that was offered to me. 10 months later I found a job more in line with my skills...
And like most of you, I think we're somewhere in late stage 6 or perhaps even in early stage 7.
"When I see how few who talked so largely of death and honour are around me, and that those who are here are those whom it was least expected, I am lost in wonder and surprise. Your noisy Sons of Liberty are, I find, the very quietest in the field. An engagement or even the expectation of one gives a wonderful insight into character."
- Colonel Joseph Reed, aide to General George Washington, 1776



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