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EASTERN FRONT SHOOTOUT! 1940/147 K98k vs. 1939 Ishevek M91/30
This is a discussion on EASTERN FRONT SHOOTOUT! 1940/147 K98k vs. 1939 Ishevek M91/30 within the Mil Surp Collectors forums, part of the Hardware category; And now, the main event! Time: June 1941, place: the border of Germany and the Soviet Union (Sippican R&G ), ...
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07-11-2010, 04:08 PM #1
EASTERN FRONT SHOOTOUT! 1940/147 K98k vs. 1939 Ishevek M91/30
And now, the main event! Time: June 1941, place: the border of Germany and the Soviet Union (Sippican R&G
), the contestants: 1940 code 147 J.P. Sauer K98k versus 1939 Ishevek M91/30.
Details:
K98k: 1940, 147 (5208g), Mitchell rearsenaled RC. Yes, MITCHELL. I admit it. I have served my penance by de-Mitchellizing it; matching: receiver, barrel, front sight. Beyond the re-stamped non-WaA parts, I replaced any non WaA37 part with correct ones (follower, ejector box, firing pin, trigger, sear), found a pair of "08" trigger screws and WaA37 capture screws. Stock looks correct, laminate/flat butt-plate, but is a Weimar WaA63 10" stock. Good plus barrel, reproduction sling, original WaA37 sight cover.
M91/30: 1939, Ishevek, Soviet rearsenaled #3152, all matching with no line outs. Arctic birch stock and original sling, barrel good.



Ammo: K98k - 20 rounds 1993 M75 Yugo surplus, M91/30 - 20 rounds 1980 Bulgarian light ball surplus.
Conditions: 100 yards, seated, sling rest.
The results: 15 hits for the M91/30 (R), 21 hits for the K98k (L).

Yes, 21; something was rotten in Denmark
. I know I missed a few early with the m91/30 until I remembered how low I had to aim (bottom of the target stand). Must have let one slip to the other target. After the third shot, the K98k was sighted right at the bulls eye. As I'm left handed I think I pulled a little left. The M91/30 was shot without the bayonet; I've heard that they were sighted for use with them.
Winner: K98k
at 1X, 4x10, 8x9; vs. M91/30 of 1X, 2x10, 6x9
P.S. Never use the stock cleaning kit on a M91/30 with the muzzle protector. The cleaning rod is too short to get the jag into the receiver to remove the patch, and you can't pull it backwards. I had to pull back towards the muzzle to add pressure to unscrew the jag and then punch it out with the cleaning rod while removing the muzzle protector!
MSLast edited by majspud; 07-11-2010 at 05:24 PM. Reason: typo
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07-11-2010, 05:38 PM #2
Sorry... you lost me at MITCHELL.
Nice shoot out, though."It's so adorable that you're looking for this shit to make sense. You're such a special little snowflake." Jasons to Dench
"I love a good gun, for it makes a man feel independent, and prepared either for war or peace." - Davy Crockett, 1834.
"When asked in 1998 how he had become such a good shot, he answered, "Practice." When asked if he regretted killing so many people, he said "I did what I was told to as well as I could." - Finnish Sniper Simo Hayha
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07-11-2010, 07:54 PM #3
the mauser wins the shoot out with a mauser guy at the helm hmmmmm.........
If I did not like shooting my Mauser more than my Nagant, I would cry foul........... but I will let this one pass
good shoot out.
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07-11-2010, 08:05 PM #4
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07-11-2010, 09:21 PM #5Registered User
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As much as I like both rifles.... I'm not surprised. The Mosin is last weeks AK. The Mauser is a fine piece of German engineering.... It's semantics.
Thanks to MS.... every time you post pictures I wanna buy stuff...Last edited by Karl; 07-11-2010 at 09:24 PM.
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07-12-2010, 12:51 PM #6
The 91/30 should have done better. I'll bet you were 'anticipating' the horrible Mosin recoil.
Did you shoot the 91/30 after finishing up with the 98 ? Possibly you were already 'shoulder weary' from the shooting the 98.
If so, next time, try the 91/30 first.
I like the 98 but the 91/30 should perform better than the 98....longer barrel, higher power cartridge.
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Show me ANY law that would have stopped any of the school shootings.
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07-12-2010, 04:34 PM #7
Pilgrim,
M91/30 went first. My rifle does not have a real clear set point on the trigger so I'm never too sure when it will go off. The more gently I pull, the more I feel the very slight tension before trigger trip. Very easy to go through it. Kind of hard to anticipate that. The K98k has a rock steady trigger set.
MSLast edited by majspud; 07-12-2010 at 06:58 PM. Reason: clarify
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Yugo M95M bayonet, 15mm ring, BT3 marked
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07-12-2010, 06:54 PM #8
Ah ha ! that explains it, user error !!!!I'm never too sure when it will go off. Kind of hard to anticipate that.
US Army Security Agency 1967-1971
Show me ANY law that would have stopped any of the school shootings.
Freedom has ceased to be a birthright; it has come to mean whatever we are still permitted to do.
Compromise means never having the best solution.
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07-12-2010, 06:57 PM #9
A K-31 will take both of them out
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07-12-2010, 07:13 PM #10
All right, if it makes you feel better, I'll redo the test. I only have one M91/30, and my last 20 rounds of 1984 Bulgarian light ball.
Pick your K98k:
S/42G, matching bolt restored RC, good bore, "A+" shooter
1938 BSW, Romanian/Albanian capture, matching action less bolt, VG+ bore, "A" shooter
1940 147, Mitchell re-arsenal RC, good+ bore, "A-" shooter
1943 bnz SSZA4, restored RC, good bore, "B+" shooter
1943 byf, bolt MM bring back, restored duffel cut, excellent bore, "A-" shooter
1944 DOT scrubbed bolt MM Romanian capture, AG bore, "C+" shooter
1944 (1945, 5-digit serial) bolt MM Romanian capture, G bore, "C+" shooter
I have 45 rounds of 1993 Yugo, 15 rounds 1984 Yugo, and 30 rounds 1956 Yugo.
Which one first? Other conditions?
The contestants:

MSLast edited by majspud; 07-12-2010 at 07:17 PM. Reason: pic
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Yugo M95M bayonet, 15mm ring, BT3 marked


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