When in app process do restrictions get added to a class A?

**lagrangian** · 10-13-2005, 09:44 AM

A few days ago I went in for my interview, fingerprinting, photo, etc. for my class A application. My town uses the MIRCS system, so one of the last things they did was print out my application from MIRCS and have me sign it. On the MIRCS application that came out of the printer (and that I signed), the Reason field was "ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES".

Does this mean that if the rest of the process (all the paperwork being submitted to the MSP, any additional background checks, etc.) goes OK, I'll be getting an ALP LTC? Or are there still steps in the process where either the MSP or local issuing authority can tack on restrictions?

Thanks!

(edited because it's MIRCS and not MICRS)

**pj150** · 10-13-2005, 10:02 AM

Not sure but let's hope it stays this way.

I submitted my application Sept 20th. Called the PO the other day (3 week mark) and they said they haven't gotten it back yet. Should be another two weeks or so I suspect.

**Lynne** · 10-13-2005, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by lagrangian

A few days ago I went in for my interview, fingerprinting, photo, etc. for my class A application. My town uses the MIRCS system, so one of the last things they did was print out my application from MIRCS and have me sign it. On the MIRCS application that came out of the printer (and that I signed), the Reason field was "ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES".

Does this mean that if the rest of the process (all the paperwork being submitted to the MSP, any additional background checks, etc.) goes OK, I'll be getting an ALP LTC? Or are there still steps in the process where either the MSP or local issuing authority can tack on restrictions?

Thanks!

If you're good to go on the back ground check, then you're good for large cap hand guns AND carrying loaded and concealed. (I know, I know, the law doesn't SAY concealed, but we all know better)

**Scrivener** · 10-13-2005, 04:45 PM

It's quite simple:

If your PD did not intend to issue you an LTC/A-ALP, it would not have entered "All Lawful Purposes" on the F 25/26.

And, while the only reference to "concealed carry" is in the paragraph of s. 131 describing an LTC/B, open carry in Mass is NOT practical, short of being in your own home, on a farm or in your own store - preferably a gun shop, pawn shop, liquor store or jewelry store, and you'd probably scare the customers at the last two.

**Rob Boudrie** · 10-13-2005, 08:21 PM

The new licenses are printed by the state and delivered to the PD. Unless your PD goes to the trouble of contacing MIRCS to change the data that has already been entered, you'll end up with ALP. The state does not do review (other than computerized record checks) as to suitability, as the decision is made at the local level.

**Republic of Mass** · 10-13-2005, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rob Boudrie

The new licenses are printed by the state and delivered to the PD. .

NO they are not. They are printed "in house"

And they (the restrictions) can be added up to the time of printing of the card, as deemed necessary by the issuing authority.

Remember, what you signed is your APPLICATION, and what you saw was your Reason for Wanting a Class-A LTC, that is not your approval or anything else.
Some depts make you fill out a hand-written app first, which is simply to speed up the MIRCS entry process. My PD shredded mine after the officer typed it into MIRCS, and the same is done at the PD i work for. My friend applied in a neighboring town and no hand-written app was necessary.

**Rob Boudrie** · 10-13-2005, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Republic of Mass

Originally Posted by Rob Boudrie

The new licenses are printed by the state and delivered to the PD. .

NO they are not. They are printed "in house"

Interesting info - thanks for the correction.

When I saw the new drivers license style LTC's (credit card sized, plastic, photo printed right on the plastic) I just assumed that this was done centrally since I couldn't imagine the PD's all getting new hardware to print these plastic cards up. I do not believe there was any pre-existing need for a plastic card printer in each local PD which would cause them to already have such equipment.

I am especially impressed by the fact that the state is able to place a plastic license printer in the local PDs, even though RMV has not managed to accomplish a similar feat with the driver's license offices (they issue a temporary and the plastic one is mailed from a central location).

**Rob Boudrie** · 10-13-2005, 10:24 PM

From http://lynnpolice.org/ma__instant_record_check.htm :

...Upon successful completion of the application process a new License to Carry will be issued by the state and will be similar to the driver’s licenses issued by the state. This photo ID will be mailed back to the issuing police department. The applicant will be contacted and at the time he/she arrives to pick up the license the individuals fingerprints will be checked again.

**Scrivener** · 10-13-2005, 11:21 PM

"Some depts make you fill out a hand-written app first, which is simply to speed up the MIRCS entry process..... My friend applied in a neighboring town and no hand-written app was necessary."

Regardless of what a PD does - or does NOT - claim is "necessary;" only a fool would go in unprepared. Prudent applicants have TWO copies of the completed F 25/26 with them when they go to apply; one to file and the other to have date-stamped for their records.

IF the town is on MIRCS, the officer can take the data off the completed app. Those who "wing" their applications by submitting to an interrogation at the station are inviting problems. [roll]

**Skald** · 10-26-2005, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Scrivener

"IF the town is on MIRCS, the officer can take the data off the completed app. Those who "wing" their applications by submitting to an interrogation at the station are inviting problems. [roll]

Depends on the town in question. My 'interogation' from the Firearms officer was

Sgt. "You shoot with Bobby?'

Me. "Yes Sir, he is my instructor and got me into shooting"

Sgt. "Ok, screw the Class B Restricted, your going for Class A ALP."

Me. 'Umm, Ok Sir.'

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