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Do CMP purchases need to be logged in C+R book?
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07-09-2008, 09:23 PM #1NES Member
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Do CMP purchases need to be logged in C+R book?
Does an M1 Garand purchased from CMP need to be logged into the C+R records? I did not send them my C+R (which did not exist at the time I filled out the forms), but the gun would of course otherwise qualify as a C&R.
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07-09-2008, 09:34 PM #2NES Member
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Doesn't matter where it comes from.Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and thus any interpretation or statements about the law that I might make should be taken with a grain of salt and mixed with your own legal research as well as advice from actual legal counsel. I cannot be held responsible if you find yourself somebody's "friend" in federal, state, or local prison should you act on my opinions on the law. My interpretations of the law will generally be on the conservative side.
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Fill it in as a "registration", leave the seller info blank.
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07-10-2008, 08:28 PM #4Moderator
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If you purchased the gun without using your C&R license and you did not acquire the gun for your collection, there's nothing in § 923 that says you have to record it in your bound book. Still, I think recording it is the safer way to go to avoid confusion, unless you plan to alter it from it's original configuration.
Originally Posted by vellnueve
(Ob. IANAL)
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What about if you owned a CMP Garand and THEN got your C&R? Would you put it into you bound book anyway? I'm in this situation and haven't added it, but am contemplating it just to be safe.
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No, I wouldn't. Who would you enter it as received in from? Yourself? Originally Posted by Rockrivr1
(Ob. IANAL)
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Originally Posted by jdubois
Everything I've read, in my ATF paperwork and on C&R sites, says that when you are licensed to purchase C&R's, every C&R you purchase must be listed. It is coming to you therefore it must be listed.
Whether you present a copy of your license when purchasing or not..it makes no difference. You do NOT get the choice to either use your license to buy or not use your license to buy. You are licensed....period.
Just like a dealer, when he purchases a gun for any reason, it must be longed in his book. It he sells it, it gets logged out. If he keeps it for his personal use, it gets logged out.
It is also necessary to log out any guns that you purchased before you had your C&R. You do not need to log them in but you must log them out.
No, I wouldn't. Who would you enter it as received in from? Yourself?
He bought it from the CMP, right? Then that's who he would list as seller. It doesn't need to be logged until sold.
Please be very careful about giving advise concerning the law.Last edited by Pilgrim; 07-10-2008 at 10:03 PM.
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Just reviewed my response and saw my brain fart. I was thinking FA-10. Originally Posted by OnTheRoad
C&R book needs to have the seller listed. My apologies for muddying the waters."But hollow men, like horses hot at hand,
Make gallant show and promise of their mettle;
But when they should endure the bloody spur,
They fall their crests, and, like deceitful jades,
Sink in the trial."
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There's nothing in the ATF paperwork that you get with your C&R license which directly answers the question. However, it sounds like you haven't reviewed the C&R sites thoroughly enough. Originally Posted by Pilgrim
Below is from an article on surplusrifle.com which compiles answers coming directly from the ATF to questions asked about C&R licenses.
Q: I just need to clarify a point.
If I buy a C&R weapon, and I do not use my license to buy it, does it need to be entered into my bound book?
I have seen answers that say yes and no.
A: Only firearms acquired with the license should be on the bound book.(Ob. IANAL)
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07-11-2008, 07:56 AM #10NES Member
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IF you have a C&R licence any C&R firearm you buy with or without the licence must be entered into the bound book. Any C&R firearm you sell while you have a C&R licence even if it was owned before you had you C&R, must still be entered into your bound book as going out.
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