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This is a discussion on non-compliant mags within the Gun Laws forums, part of the General category; I know of a guy who's routinely had a friend buy non Mass compliant mags out of state and bring ...
03-15-2007, 01:19 PM #1
I know of a guy who's routinely had a friend buy non Mass compliant mags out of state and bring them into the state.
I've warned him he was asking for trouble, but he always responds with the, "it's no big deal," "everyone does it," and "there's no way to get caught" replied.
I haven't had anything to come back to him with, because I don't know the consequences, or chances of getting caught, or even if it's common practice.
Does anyone have any input I can tell him?
He's also scheming about having his out of state friend buy a non compliant gun and "loan" it to him, long term.
03-15-2007, 01:27 PM #2
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This guy is stupid, its not worth the risks. Not only is he putting himself at risk for legal troubles, he will make all gun owners in MA look bad by his example and give the anti's more ammo.
03-15-2007, 01:44 PM #3
As mentioned above... not a smart thing to do. Nothing you want to get caught up in. Nothing his "friend" should be getting caught up in either.Member @ HSC - Harvard Sportman's Club & HHRG - Haverhill Hound Rod and Gun & MRA - Mass Rifle Association (Woburn) GOAL Member, NRA Life Member, Gun Owners of America Member, Supporter of COMM2A.
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03-15-2007, 01:55 PM #4
I sincerely hope he's got a good lawyer on retainer and numerous thousands in his savings account for the trial. I also agree that when he gets caught, he'll put the rest of us in a bad light. Ignorance can be cured, stupidity can't."They say gun owners are compensating for something. They're right. I'm compensating because I'm smaller and weaker than violent criminals."
Don't make me release the flying monkeys!!
03-15-2007, 02:06 PM #5
Not very smart or bright, is he?
Myself? I've had plenty of opportunities to bring in/purchase post-ban mags and/or off-list handguns, but... I never have and never would. It's not because of some moral value that one should always obey the law (even unconstitutional ones), but because I don't want to face the repercussions if caught.
I'd wager that 99% of people who break the law say to themselves "there's no way to get caught". Apparently they were wrong; otherwise the prisons and jails would be empty. I guess your friend never heard of "Murphy's Law"?
There's always a way/chance that he'll be caught and it'll come out of nowhere. Police, fire, EMTs could respond to an unrelated call at his home (he may or may not be home at the time), the mags are left out in the open and some Super Trooper spots them. He could be returning home from the range, get involved in a motor vehicle accident. He gets taken to the hospital while the police go through his vehicle to inventory and/or secure items. He could get in a heated fight with his wife or GF and she can turn him in....etc.
I could be wrong here, but, sure... if he got caught and convicted (and no other charges were involved), the chances of going to prison are slim (at least for the mag possession), but now he has a felony record. That means a permanent loss of his RKBA... even if he were to later move to a free state where firearms ownership is taken for granted.
03-15-2007, 02:14 PM #6
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03-15-2007, 02:22 PM #7
Having an out of state friend "loan" (and I take the word "loan" in quotes to mean purchase ), an off-list handgun without going through an FFL is asking for Federal trouble.
03-15-2007, 02:36 PM #8
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Has anyone been convicted for possession of non-compliant mags unrelated to any other firearms charges? I've asked a few cops and they didn't know of anyone but also have said that in their experience,a good portion of the time some hood gets caught with a gun and drugs or on an assault charge,it's usually the firearms charge that get thrown out while the prosecution focuses on the others- quite strange.
Regarding law enforcement: a friend of mine bought his first handgun from a cop and was given the bad advice by the CLEO that gave him his LTC that the LE/Mil mags were fine for him to have! I told him to unload them ASAP.
03-15-2007, 03:46 PM #9
Just to clarify...
In MA, a non-compliant mag possession is a Felony. As a reminder, a felony conviction in ANY state, will exclude someone from ever legally possessing a firearm in ANY other state for life...
That said, there is nothing that says that someone can not "loan" a firearm to a friend. If they are both legal to possess the gun, no harm..."A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" --Sigmund Freud
03-15-2007, 04:18 PM #10
1) a NH resident brings a non-compliant gun into Mass to shoot at a range/competition, and lets a MA resident shoot it that day
2) the NH resident leaves the gun with the MA resident for a short period of time (1-2 weeks)
3) the NH resident leaves the gun with the MA resident for a long period of time (3-5+ years)
My friend's arguement is, so long as no money exchanged hands, and there's no bill of sale or lease agreement, what's to stop him from having his buddy in NH buy him everything under the sun? If he is caught with a non-compliant gun, he says it belongs to his buddy from NH (which is friend will confirm), and there's no way anyone could tell if he's had it for a couple days or a couple years.