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Help with rebuttal
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06-14-2012, 12:53 PM #1
Help with rebuttal
So i got this from a guy i know when i posted an article by GOAL comparing guns to cars.
I think the analogy of comparing guns to cars seems to fall short.
1) drivers are licensed and trained. If the NRA had its way, there'd be no regulation, including no training or licensing.
2) cars are NOT purpose built to put holes in animate and inanimate objects.
3) According to Mass state authorities, I've been told that having a drivers license is a privilege, not a right
I really want to zing him and do it good. Any thoughts on how to respond? Im not great at putting thoughts into words. Im a bit
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06-14-2012, 12:56 PM #2
06-14-2012, 12:56 PM #3
Ask him where in the constitution it says that the people's right to keep and drive cars shall not be infringed. I know that many of the anti gov folks say that driving is an extension of the right to travel, but the big difference is that when the constitution was drafted, they had gun. There is no question as to what the forefathers meant when they said "arms".Please don't feed the democrats.
06-14-2012, 01:05 PM #4
06-14-2012, 01:05 PM #51) drivers are licensed and trained. If the NRA had its way, there'd be no regulation, including no training or licensing.
Actually the NRA would prefer licenses and training that is one of the ways they make money. the licensing for autos is nothing but a money making opportunity for the state.
2) cars are NOT purpose built to put holes in animate and inanimate objects. neither are guns, they are designed to propel a projectile at high speed what people chose to do with them is what is your actual concern, would you stop all people from driving because a few people use them in violent crimes and accidents with deadly consequences?
3) According to Mass state authorities, I've been told that having a drivers license is a privilege, not a right The right to travel between states is a right really doesn't matter if the .gov says it is or not, if MA said the right to communicate was a privilege would you stop talking writing etc.?“The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.” - Albert Camus
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.. - Thomas Jefferson
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06-14-2012, 01:19 PM #6
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You could also bring up the variances from town to town with regard to suitability. They RMV in your town doesn't arbitrary put restrictions on your driving license saying to some people "you can only drive to the gas station/mechanic and back" like they do with Target restrictions. You can also make a comparison between the right to defend yourself and your car. I believe MA has a duty to retreat so that is like issuing someone a drivers license but then saying you can only drive if you can't walk there.
06-14-2012, 01:23 PM #7
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2) Firearms are not purpose built to put holes in animate or inanimate objects (though many unlicensed tools, such as ice picks, spikes, drills and nails ARE purpose built to do just that). In addition, more people are killed by cars than firearms each year and MANY more crimes are committed with car PER CAR than crimes are committed with firearms PER FIREARM (DUI Arrests per car alone exceed all reported violent crime with a firearm per firearm)
3) Yes, a drivers license is a privillage not a right (except in California), however one only needs a drivers license to use a car on a public way and restricting the issuance of a drivers license can only be done by a court judgement following due process. Without a specific judgement against a person, any person able to demonstrate sufficient proficiency to use a car safely SHALL BE issued a drivers license.
Last edited by ShadeWPI; 06-14-2012 at 01:24 PM. Reason: double not removed
06-14-2012, 02:10 PM #8JoseGuest
Instead of comparing your indefensible firearms licensing system to that of drivers, you should be making cogent arguments about not even having licenses to exercise the right to keep and bear arms.
Feel free to point out the multitude of states with no licenses for posession and shall-issue concealed handgun licenses and the few who get it right 100%.
06-14-2012, 02:57 PM #9
06-14-2012, 03:45 PM #10
Ask him where he got his license and training to make stupid statements.“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.” -George Washington-
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