• Obama Administration Finalizes Social Security Gun Ban



    By AWR Hawkins

    On Monday the Obama administration finalized a Social Security gun ban that could prevent “tens of thousands” of law-abiding elderly citizens from purchasing guns for self-defense.

    Breitbart News reported this ban on July 18, 2015, when it was learned that the Obama administration was creating a ban on gun purchases that would apply to Social Security recipients who needed help managing their finances. The Los Angeles Times reported that the ban would be sweeping; that it would cover those who are unable to manage their own affairs for a multitude of reasons–from “subnormal intelligence or mental illness” to “incompetency,” an unspecified “condition,” or “disease.”

    Read full story here: http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendme...urity-gun-ban/
    Comments 30 Comments
    1. Palladin's Avatar
      Palladin -
      January 20th can't come soon enough
    1. GlockJock's Avatar
      GlockJock -
      Can this sh*t be overturned /overruled /executive ordered into the trash /etc by the incoming Administration?
    1. one-eyed Jack's Avatar
      one-eyed Jack -
      Obama fits that description already. Jack.
    1. robjax's Avatar
      robjax -
      "In other words, once the beneficiary has the SSA’s attention–by having someone help with finances–the process of determining mental health status begins,"

      so to put this as simply as possible....if you collect social security and pay someone to do your taxes you "needed assistance managing your finances".

      This guy is a dictator. He should be reviewed for and charged with crimes against freedom when he is out of office.
    1. swatgig's Avatar
      swatgig -
      They're already doing this to our veterans.

      If a fiduciary is named by the VA to manage a vet's VA benefits, the VA notified NICS and that person is prohibited. I don't see how this can be called an "adjudication", as required by 18 USC 922
      (g) It shall be unlawful for any person ... who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution ... to ... possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.
    1. Fixxah's Avatar
      Fixxah -
      Benito
    1. Rob Boudrie's Avatar
      Rob Boudrie -
      If a fiduciary is named by the VA to manage a vet's VA benefits, the VA notified NICS and that person is prohibited. I don't see how this can be called an "adjudication", as required by 18 USC 922
      There are ways to accomplish the same thing that does not trigger this bogus prohibition:

      Simply have all benefits deposited to a joint checking account, with the person who is managing the vet's (or SS recipient's) finances as the other signatory.

      Do not fill out a "fidiciuary application" with the VA, but rather have a durable power of attorney.

      And, throw in a health care proxy to round things out.
    1. fishgutzy's Avatar
      fishgutzy -
      Quote Originally Posted by swatgig View Post
      They're already doing this to our veterans.

      If a fiduciary is named by the VA to manage a vet's VA benefits, the VA notified NICS and that person is prohibited. I don't see how this can be called an "adjudication", as required by 18 USC 922
      The VA also reports any veteran who seeks counseling for PTSD through the VA.
      Some states ban anyone who gets treated for alcohol abuse too. The list of abuses is long and getting longer.

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    1. greencobra's Avatar
      greencobra -
      obama's gonna fiddle about until the very end, lucky us.
    1. swatgig's Avatar
      swatgig -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob Boudrie View Post
      There are ways to accomplish the same thing that does not trigger this bogus prohibition:

      Simply have all benefits deposited to a joint checking account, with the person who is managing the vet's (or SS recipient's) finances as the other signatory.

      Do not fill out a "fidiciuary application" with the VA, but rather have a durable power of attorney.

      And, throw in a health care proxy to round things out.
      The VA will not honor a power of attorney.

      If both cases I dealt with where a fiduciary was named, it was the wife of the vet, where they already had a joint account.
    1. firestorm's Avatar
      firestorm -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob Boudrie View Post
      There are ways to accomplish the same thing that does not trigger this bogus prohibition:

      Simply have all benefits deposited to a joint checking account, with the person who is managing the vet's (or SS recipient's) finances as the other signatory.

      Do not fill out a "fidiciuary application" with the VA, but rather have a durable power of attorney.

      And, throw in a health care proxy to round things out.
      Yeah but im sure the people at the VA aren't going to explain this. They will simply get you the forms and destroy your rights without telling you its going to do that.
    1. SERE's Avatar
      SERE -
      For the states that have licensing are they going to get what they want by attrition? When your license/permit comes up for renewal it will be denied? Then what does an owner do with his/her property. Forced to sell or confiscated in PDR states?

      For those of you in free states, where no licensing is required, do you slip under the radar? I am sure that he would try to find a way to stop the purchase of ammo also if he could.

      The current administration hates vets, young and old, and know that vets are the ones who know how to use MSR's.
    1. Dadstoys's Avatar
      Dadstoys -
      I hope Trump has been working out his writing hand.
      He's going to need it .
      That and any monkey in these agencies complicit in this crap needs to find out what it takes to make it in the private sector.
      Drain that swamp baby.
    1. bill o's Avatar
      bill o -
      Quote Originally Posted by fishgutzy View Post
      The VA also reports any veteran who seeks counseling for PTSD through the VA.
      Some states ban anyone who gets treated for alcohol abuse too. The list of abuses is long and getting longer.

      Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk
      No they don't. Where did you hear that?
    1. fishgutzy's Avatar
      fishgutzy -
      Quote Originally Posted by bill o View Post
      No they don't. Where did you hear that?
      From someone who applied for a permit and was denied because the VA squids he had been treated for PTSD.

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    1. bill o's Avatar
      bill o -
      Whatever he got denied for, it wasn't simply for mental health treatment in the VHA. I hope no veteran reads this and defers treatment based on bad info.
    1. Christian's Avatar
      Christian -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dadstoys View Post
      I hope Trump has been working out his writing hand.
      He's going to need it .
      That and any monkey in these agencies complicit in this crap needs to find out what it takes to make it in the private sector.
      Drain that swamp baby.
      No need for that, he can always use O's doctrine of "I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone".
    1. fishgutzy's Avatar
      fishgutzy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Christian View Post
      No need for that, he can always use O's doctrine of "I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone".
      VA got busted delaying permit renewals for NC veterans. They kept sending firms back to SO's and requesting other forms that were not required by law.
      Took a call from Senator's office to stop that crap.
      Apparently all veterans permit applications also go through the VA. that much is true.
      Veterans are better off going outside the VA anyway.

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    1. mass's Avatar
      mass -
      Take away my guns because I'm incompetent? Fine. I can't remember where I put them. Because I'm incompetent.

      I'm not there yet, but f them.

      Sent from State prison using contraband cell phone.
    1. EJFudd's Avatar
      EJFudd -
      If this is going to be like the VA ban, it is very insidious. My own elderly father (R.I.P.) fell into the trap they set. Fortunately, he managed to get out of it. Be careful. Be very, very careful.
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