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mikem317
04-19-2009, 12:05 AM
These United States: Too Big to Fail?

Posted By Justin Raimondo On April 16, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Speaking at one of many “tea party” anti-Washington protests held throughout the country on April 15, Texas Gov. Rick Perry touched on a theme that could, I believe, prefigure a growing trend in American politics – and, indeed, throughout the world. He hit all the partisan talking points that are so familiar to my readers that I won’t bother reiterating them, and then remarked that Texas is doing relatively better than some other states, in spite of the “federal budget mess.” According to the Dallas Morning News, at this point “some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, ‘Secede!’” The Governor took up this theme in remarks to reporters afterward:

“There’s a lot of different scenarios. We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we’re a pretty independent lot to boot.”

I can just hear the Obamaites railing on about the “extremism” and “paranoia” of the “wingnuts” – it’s the characteristic way these people deal with ideas, in spite of the pretensions to transcendence of Obama’s beyond-red-state-and-blue-state credo. In spite of the fact that “right” and “left” are about as relevant to the current situation as the seating arrangements of the French parliament in the 1800’s — from whence the terminology derives – if it comes from the “right,” the “left” is honor-bound to take up position on the other side of the barricades. That’s too bad, because a major public figure like Perry raising such an idea is more than just a partisan ploy: it’s a harbinger of things to come.

Regardless of whether one endorses or disdains the Governor’s particular complaints against the federal government, the point is that bigness – in the world of nation-states, as well as finance – is out, and smallness is in.

It’s no accident that the world’s biggest financial combines, along with the giant producers like GM, are in trouble: like the dinosaurs, their bigness – once an advantage – evolved into a fatal gigantism. In the economic realm, this condition distanced management from the market it was supposedly serving and set up these companies for the big crash. They are now claiming that they’re “too big to fail,” and therefore deserve government bailouts — yet their very size (and the hubris that went with it) is what caused them to fail in the first place.

A similar trend is evident in the realm of nation-states. Remember when no one imagined that the mighty Soviet Union was about to fall flat on its face and shatter into several dozen pieces? A few years before the Berlin Wall was toppled, the USSR, to all outward appearances, was a colossus firmly rooted in Eurasian soil, an empire that was all but unchallengeable given its formidable nuclear arsenal and world-spanning apparatus. Even as the Communist regime was rapidly rotting from within, the sense that history was on its side – that inexorable forces were pushing it forward – was reflected in the rhetoric not only of Communist officials, but in the mindset of their Western adversaries.

In the 1980s, less than a decade away from Communism’s final collapse, we were told that the Soviets were on the march, not only in Afghanistan but throughout what we used to call the “third world.” In Africa, as well as Central and South America, leftist insurgents aided by Moscow were rising up and challenging Western-backed governments, and anti-Communists here in the US were raising the alarm. The neocons, at that time, were howling that Reagan, in negotiating the INF treaty with the Russians, had sold us down the river. The Soviets, they averred, had for the first time a huge military advantage, which they were about to use to seal our doom – and then, with an abruptness that caught our own CIA, not to mention the neocons, quite by surprise, the Soviet Union was no more.

In a series of near-bloodless overturns, starting in Germany and winding up in Moscow, the signatories to the Warsaw Pact fell, one by one, in dizzyingly rapid succession, until the last domino to fall – the Kremlin itself – made an earth-shattering but strangely hollow sound as it crashed, like a tree that’s rotted all the way through.

The Russians aren’t the only ones who have felt the consequences of the new decentralism: China, too, is experiencing problems, not only in Tibet but also in its fractious and relatively wild Western region, where various non-Han minorities chafe under Beijing’s rule. Iraq is another example, of a different sort: a country that had its borders created by Western fiat, and is now faced with the problem of keeping an entirely artificial state entity in charge of a territory housing several separate (and often mutually antagonistic) “nations.” This is the case throughout Africa, as well, where a series of bloody secessionist wars and outright massacres have taken place.

The collapse of the Soviet Union and the subsequent creation of dozens of independent “countries” based on the borders of the old “autonomous” Soviet “republics” — as drawn by Stalin and his successors — has created a host of conflicts: the Caucasus is teeming with groups who, for a number of historical and practical reasons, want to break away from the central state, and establish their own independent enclaves. Why shouldn’t they be allowed to do so? Ask our State Department, which still refuses to recognize or deal in any way with the South Ossetians, the Abkhazians, or the representatives of the Transdniester Republic, all of whom resent being forced into an arbitrary “union” with people who have historically oppressed them.

In the United States, the idea of secession is considered beyond the pale, and Gov. Perry will no doubt catch a lot of flack for his comments, but the reality is that big countries – and bigness, per se – are on the wane. The future belongs to smaller, more manageable and efficient units, whether political or economic, which can better navigate the troubled waters of the world economy.

As much as the know-it-all pundits will mock Perry’s raising of the Texas flag, a serious secession movement in the US, based on regionalist sentiment, is not all that hard to imagine. A nation is, after all, more than a state: it derives its identity from a common culture, one that is largely shared by all citizens, including not only language but a certain mindset rooted in custom and economic convenience. However, when this cohesion is lacking – when tax-eating states, say, are arrayed against tax-producing states; or, to put it another way, when red states come up against blue states – longstanding allegiances are called into question and old bonds begin to dissolve.

Is this how the American empire will end – an implosion on the home front, even as its armies advance across the face of Central Asia and take up their positions in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Given the history of the world since 1989, and especially in the context of the current economic meltdown, what happened to the old Soviet Union is not such an implausible scenario for us.


Link: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/these-united-states-too-big-to-fail

doobie
04-19-2009, 12:10 AM
I would say the United States is too big to NOT to Fail.

SemiAutoSam
04-19-2009, 12:29 AM
Mike

Which definition of United States is the writer talking about here ?

This one ?

TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002
(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html

Another_David
04-19-2009, 12:30 AM
I stand by my signature

JMody
04-19-2009, 12:35 AM
Wanna know if the USA is to big to fail?

Read this book:
One Second After
by: William Forstchen

We fail big time. And the scary fact is the thing that makes us fail is OHHHH SOOOO REAL!!!

One - Three Nukes detonated about 75-100 miles above the USA. Good by to everything electronic. Can anyone say EMP? That's what the nukes will cause detonated that far up.

mikem317
04-19-2009, 01:12 AM
Which definition of United States is the writer talking about here ?

Not sure. The author basically defines a nation and suggests that the United States, as a nation, is irreparably divided (politically at least).


I stand by my signature

Sums it up nicely.


Wanna know if the USA is to big to fail?

The author suggests that the seeds of failure have been sown internally. While external threats like a nuclear engagement would surely create unfathomable havoc, the focus was on the internal mechanisms driving secessionist discussions.

Kalahari
04-19-2009, 06:03 AM
"Corporation" has more than one meaning, Sam.

calsdad
04-19-2009, 07:52 AM
The original idea of the "United STATES" has been corrupted by those on the left (mostly) and those on the right. They took what was supposed to be union of states - with a small federal government, and turned it into a country with an overreaching federal government that has worked ceaselessly to turn the states into nothing more than administrative zones for the land mass the feds rule over.

So we fight back and forth over who is in power in the federal government, because it dictates every piece of our lives. The thing that MANY people on the left and right don't get - is that if you just shrunk the federal government back to it's constitutionally defined powers, most of the fighting might go away. Because the people within each state could be freed to define their lives the way they preferred.

If it takes secession to make that happen - then I am all for it.

NOTHING else seems to be working.

Jose
04-19-2009, 07:54 AM
Mike

Which definition of United States is the writer talking about here ?

This one ?

TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002
(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html

Give it a rest, dude

Jose
04-19-2009, 07:56 AM
The original idea of the "United STATES" has been corrupted by those on the left (mostly) and those on the right. They took what was supposed to be union of states - with a small federal government, and turned it into a country with an overreaching federal government that has worked ceaselessly to turn the states into nothing more than administrative zones for the land mass the feds rule over.

So we fight back and forth over who is in power in the federal government, because it dictates every piece of our lives. The thing that MANY people on the left and right don't get - is that if you just shrunk the federal government back to it's constitutionally defined powers, most of the fighting might go away. Because the people within each state could be freed to define their lives the way they preferred.

If it takes secession to make that happen - then I am all for it.

NOTHING else seems to be working.
+1

Can't happen soon enough, IMO. Things are irretrievably broken.

FiremanBob
04-19-2009, 09:44 AM
No, size has nothing to do with the probability of failure, only with the amount of damage when it happens.

Things are NOT irretrievably broken. Do not shrink into a defeatist mood. Americans can still restore their Constitution using Constitutional methods. If we defeat the Democrats in next year's Congressional elections we can bottle up Obama just as the Gingrich Congress did to Clinton. The new Congress can then repeal what's left of the Porkulus and legislate tax rate cuts to revive the economy.

The first step is to become personally active in politics, and get as many of your friends and neighbors to become active as well. Go to your town's Council meetings, Board of Ed meetings, and any public hearings relevant to your interests as a citizen. Find and support (with both money and time/effort) good candidates in local elections and Congressional/Senate elections. It's time for the real grass roots to show their power against the special interests and their statist machine.

mikem317
04-19-2009, 11:06 AM
The original idea of the "United STATES" has been corrupted by those on the left (mostly) and those on the right. They took what was supposed to be union of states - with a small federal government, and turned it into a country with an overreaching federal government that has worked ceaselessly to turn the states into nothing more than administrative zones for the land mass the feds rule over.

So we fight back and forth over who is in power in the federal government, because it dictates every piece of our lives. The thing that MANY people on the left and right don't get - is that if you just shrunk the federal government back to it's constitutionally defined powers, most of the fighting might go away. Because the people within each state could be freed to define their lives the way they preferred.

If it takes secession to make that happen - then I am all for it.

NOTHING else seems to be working.

Right. The states have become basically puppets of the Leviathan that lurks in Washington, DC.

The states rights issue took a big hit when Abraham the Terrible decided to murder over a half-million Americans over it.