"An Offer That You Cannot Refuse"

[M.Nastek]

Jim and I are making this offer to the first 8-10 people that are truely interested in a great training experiance.

The course schedule for 2008 has been posted and Jim and I have selected a course starting on Friday, October 17, 2008 and ending on Monday October 20, 2008

A 4 day training course trip to Front Sight Nevada in the fall of 2008. In the first two weeks of October.

WE will be providing the Course Certificates for "Free"
The face value of $2,000.00


You will be responsible for:
Hotel, Air Fare and Rental Car
Since we have been several times will we attemp to put a complete travel package togher for the group.

So give it some thought and let us know what you think.


Check out the course outline below.

4 Day Defensive Handgun

This fast paced and exciting course is for law enforcement officers, military personnel and private citizens who want a complete understanding of the defensive handgun and a skill level that surpasses 95% of those who carry a gun for a living.

This course is a must for anyone who chooses to own or carry a handgun for self defense.

Cost: $2,000.00

Prerequisite Class(s): None

Regardless of your experience prior to entering this course, upon completion, your gun handling, marksmanship, and tactical skills will be better than they have ever been and you will be able to safely and easily draw your weapon from a CONCEALED holster and fire two, sighted shots to the center of a target 5 yards away - all under 1.5 seconds! That’s right, from a concealed holster in 1.5 seconds!


You will understand the principles of tactics and have multiple opportunities to use your acquired skills under the stress of simulated, lethal encounters.


Lecture Topics and Firing Range Drills:
As outlined in Two-Day & Four-Day Defensive Handgun curriculum:

Firing Range Drills Include:
Loading and Unloading
Grip
Stance
Sight Picture
Sight Alignment and Trigger Control
Presentation from Ready and Holster
Target Engagement from Arms Length to 15 yards under Time Pressure
Malfunction Clearing
Speed and Tactical Reloading
Live-Fire Tactical Simulator Introduction

With added emphasis on Concealed Carry;
Low Light and Night Shooting
Tactical Training Simulation using Realistic Reactive Targets in Shoot/No Shoot Scenarios
Target Engagement from Arms Length to 25 yards under Time Pressure
Course also includes Evening Supplemental Lectures on Shotgun and Rifle topics with Staff Social
Single Elimination Shoot-off
Distinguished Graduate Skills Evaluation

Lecture Topics Include:
Use of Deadly Force and the Law
Color Code of Mental Awareness
Stopping Power
Civil Liability and other related topics.

800 rounds of ammunition required

Link to the Application Page
http://www.frontsight.com/Application.asp

Link to the Front Sight Experience Page
http://www.frontsight.com/FirearmsTraining/fse.asp

[JimConway]

Neither Mike nor I have lost it and the offer is genuine. This is something that we have been discussing for several months. Both of us believe in getting quality training and this is our thank you for all of the folks that have supported us over the years. This is a one time offer and will not be repeated, ever.
And now to the details that Mike has not mentioned in his post
I strongly suggest that we all stay in Pahrump, NV. - cheaper and closer
Pahrump (indian word for "water rock") is a nice town with a good selection of hotels and restaurants.
You will have to buy your own ammo.
We order our ammo in advance at the local Walmart and they will have it ready for us when we arrive
Our thoughts are the we share rental cars and hotel rooms to save some dollars.
Even after 9-11, there is no problem flying with a gun in a locked case.
To make things easy, we suggest that we fly out of Manchester, NH because the airport is gun friendly

[Chris]

Sounds Fantastic.

Have not been out to Front Sight since they opened the new complex.

If you have an opening, I'm in!

[JimConway]

This is just a note that we have 4 signed so far. If you are interested. I suggest that you not wait.

[swatmedic]

i am definitely interested, pending approval from the boss of course.

[Rob Boudrie]

Jim - I will not be able to consider this (family/work committments), however, I suggest you consider working with the host to make sure it qualifies as NV training and leave enough time in the schedule for a field trip to apply for Nevada CCWs. Nevada does not recognize permits from other states, and requires that the state mandated training take place inside NV, so this is an extra you should be able to easily add.

[Marcus in the Darkus]

Please count me in. I just completed my online application.

Thanks. I'm really looking forward to this.

[M.Nastek]

The intent that we have in place is what we are offering.

If someone wants to stay the extra day to take the CCW module they can at there own expense.

And they must fly back to pick up there CCW license in person in 3 -6 months it will not be mailed.

Food for thought

[TonyDedo]

Filling out the application now!

[JimConway]

For those of you that have decided to take advantage of the course offer,
please send me an email (jim@neshooters.com) with your contact info so that we can put you on the official list of those going.

If any of you want to get a Nevada CCW permit, there is a 1 day CCW class held on the day after our class that costs $500.00. Neshooters will not pay for this CCW class. If you select this class, be aware that you must go to Nevada to pick up your permit. They will not mail a CCW for anyone.

[YogSothoth]

Email sent - count me in, if availability still exists. Thanks much for the opportunity!

[Rob Boudrie]

Good info Jim - thanks.

[JackO]

Jim,
Please count me in. E-mail is on the way.

[ARBELLA13]

Jim,

Please count me in too. I'm out of town now, you will receive my e-mail tomorrow.

Thanks a lot for this great offer.
Jake

[JimConway]

We have seven signed up so far. After the next three sign up, we will start a waiting list.

[crak]

Jeez, guys. Slow Down. I haven't even gotten home to beg the wife yet. [smile]

[JimConway]

Crak
You could always signup for the waiting list now and be first in line

[TonyDedo]

Why rush to beg for the wife permission? Instead you should sign up first, then you'll have 16 months to beg for her forgiveness!


Jeez, guys. Slow Down. I haven't even gotten home to beg the wife yet. [smile]

[DR]

Jim and I are making this offer to the first 8-10 people that are truely interested in a great training experiance.

A 4 day training course trip to Front Sight Nevada in the fall of 2008. In the first two weeks of October.

Mike,

Can you confirm that this is in 2008: 16 months from now? Thanks.

[M.Nastek]

Mike,

Can you confirm that this is in 2008: 16 months from now? Thanks.

Yes it is in "2008" It gives us all plenty of time to prepare and make ready.

[M.Nastek]

If you have not checked out the FrontSight complex and courses that are offered.
Here is the link.

http://www.frontsight.com/

[flotter390]

Yes it is in "2008" It gives us all plenty of time to prepare and make ready.

Me toò. Fref

[DR]

Yes it is in "2008" It gives us all plenty of time to prepare and make ready.

Excellent. Count me in, then.

[Dman]

I'd love to join if there is a spot still left.

[Adam_MA]

May as well put me in too!

[JimConway]

The thirteen who signed up for the trip are as follows:
Mike Emler - Confirmed
Chris Murphy - Confirmed
Mark Worthington - Confirmed
Jake Stambulski - Confirmed
Yakov Ostrovsky - Confirmed
Christopher J. Siano - Confirmed
Dave Ritchie - Confirmed
Adam Lagrosse - Confirmed
Crak - Confirmed
Dman - Confirmed
Swatmedic - Confirmed
Brian Daniels -Confirmed
Jeff Rosenberger-Confirmed

Chaperone
Tony Dulaney -Not Confirmed

Sponsors
Jim Conway
Mike Nastek
Ken Maurer
Doug Robinson




We will now start a waiting list, in case someone cancels out.

[crak]

Why rush to beg for the wife permission? Instead you should sign up first, then you'll have 16 months to beg for her forgiveness!

16 months would be getting off easy. I've been in for eight years and I don't think the statute of limitation has passed yet for anything.

I'll go first on the waiting list (email sent).

[M.Nastek]

OK Guys now that the allocation of seats is set and the waiting list is formulating.

10 Seats along with Jim, Myself and possibly 2 other Select Guest's.

Lets talk.

We will be having a meet, evaluate and info session regarding the course of action from here. Date and time to be determined.

There are some things that Jim and I would like to pass on to you pistolero's, some of the info we have garnered from the numerous visits we have made to Front Sight. As well as making sure your skills are up to par so you throughly enjoy your visit to Front Sight. The offering that we have put together is important to us, and we would like to see it happen in style.

If for some reason you cannot fullfill your request. Please let us know without delay.

Everyone is required by Front Sight to pay a $ 50.00 fee for a Background Check. It is good for one (1) year from the submital date. These will need to be completed by all of us in the spring of next year.

There is 14 months to plan this event so it will go off with out a hitch.

We recommend:
*We all fly out together if possible from Manchester NH
*We will all stay in Parhump, NV (Saddle West Hotel & Casino)
*Double up in Hotel Rooms to cut costs if you would like.
*Share rental cars fees. 2 -3 or 4 per car?
*Bulk purchase ammo at Walmart Pahrump,NV IE 4 shooters should be able to share 3000 RDS of Ammo the round count is posted 800 more like 600 -700 RDS Actual

Jim and I will stay in touch and are looking forward to hosting this event.

[JackO]

Everyone is required by Front Sight to pay a $ 50.00 fee for a Background Check. It is good for one (1) year from the submital date. These will need to be completed by all of us in the spring of next year.


Could you please clarify if we need to fill out the Frontsite online application now or later on (in the spring?) as the application requires the info and credit card for the background check? I understand they have just one application for the class and the background check, not the two separate ones.

[M.Nastek]

Could you please clarify if we need to fill out the Frontsite online application now or later on (in the spring?) as the application requires the info and credit card for the background check? I understand they have just one application for the class and the background check, not the two separate ones.

You are correct The Form is and does cover both items. And it need not be submitted until next year. It is linked for your review and to prepare those of you for the requirements needed to attend.

I will be contacting Front Sight in the fall of 2007. And getting there advance course schedule for 2008 so I can pick the course date in October 2008.

If there are any other questions please feel free to e mail me at Mike@Neshooters.com or Jim@Neshooters.com

[EddieCoyle]

Please put me on the waiting list.

[Marcus in the Darkus]

The Form is and does cover both items. And it need not be submitted until next year. It is linked for your review and to prepare those of you for the requirements needed to attend.


Mike, I went online yesterday and filled out that form and entered my cc number for the $50 background check fee. Should I contact Front Sight and ask them to hold off on the background check?

[JimConway]

Marcus
Ask them to not do the NIC check

[Jaxon]

Put me on the waiting list, please. [grin]

RJ

[JimConway]

Jaxon
Usually we require some begging or a lavish gift before adding anyone to the list.

In your case, Okay, you are waiting

[Jaxon]

Jaxon
Usually we require some begging or a lavish gift before adding anyone to the list.

In your case, Okay, you are waiting

Beggin' I got. PLEASE [crying]

Thanks! [smile]

[JimConway]

Mike and I have been going over the list of those going to Front Sight with us next year and had some concerns. We have also had some concerned callers (wifes and loved ones etc.) that are worried about all you guys loose together in the Nevada wilderness.
Mike and I have pondered this problem long and hard and have decided that a chaperone would be in order.

Mr. TonyD has graciously agreed to fill this role.
Thank you Tony

[TonyD]

Mike and I have been going over the list of those going to Front Sight with us next year and had some concerns. We have also had some concerned callers (wifes and loved ones etc.) that are worried about all you guys loose together in the Nevada wilderness.
Mike and I have pondered this problem long and hard and have decided that a chaperone would be in order.

Mr. TonyD has graciously agreed to fill this role.
Thank you Tony

Glad to help, Jim. I'm just wondering what that one member meant by 'fox in the hen-house'.

[Chris]

Heh heh heh heh heh

Be afraid, be very afraid!

(^_^)


That said, the wife and I worked out the budgeting for this last night and everything is a 'go'. At least with this much advance notice, I won't have any surprises. In fact, the whole family might go out west and make an extended vacation of it. My wife's dad lives in Arizona during the cooler months. (or Maui when it's too hot)

[flotter390]

Mike and I have been going over the list of those going to Front Sight with us next year and had some concerns. We have also had some concerned callers (wifes and loved ones etc.) that are worried about all you guys loose together in the Nevada wilderness.
Mike and I have pondered this problem long and hard and have decided that a chaperone would be in order.

Mr. TonyD has graciously agreed to fill this role.
Thank you Tony




WHAT HAPPENS IN VEGAS STAYS IN VEGAS.[rofl]

FRED

[JimConway]

What you say is true. I am sure that none of us will discuss any foolish or nefarious acts that may occur. I should point out however that the neshooter web site is hosted in Las Vegas. When you return, please be sure to check the Front Sight photos page that I plan to have. I am sure that large donations could have some effect on the photos that I choose to display.

Be good, shoot often, and shoot well

[M.Nastek]

I would like to inquire if the group has checked out the Front Sight web site and reviewed the requirements, class that we will be attending? If there are any questions regarding this adventure ask. Check out Pahrump,NV etc. We want you to have the correct gear and accessories needed to really get the best performance out of your minds and bodies. There is alot of stuff you may want to bring but really will not need.

So please ask and we will start filling in the gaps.

There's a differance in being ready then being prepared

Mike

[flotter390]

I would like to inquire if the group has checked out the Front Sight web site and reviewed the requirements, class that we will be attending? If there are any questions regarding this adventure ask. Check out Pahrump,NV etc. We want you to have the correct gear and accessories needed to really get the best performance out of your minds and bodies. There is alot of stuff you may want to bring but really will not need.

So please ask and we will start filling in the gaps.

There's a differance in being ready then being prepared

Mike


I'm ASKING!!
Since you guys have been there and done that please make a list of what we will need for the CLASS.

Thanks
Fred

(Been to Pahrump and even shot in the desert there.)

[Chris]

I almost always pack way too many clothes as I second guess everything. With the latest airline restrictions down to 50 lbs for luggage, some idea of what you find the most comfortable would be nice.

As for gear, I'm pretty much all set. I just need to remember to pack it all. (^_^) I almost always forget one little thing that turns out to be important. Last time I traveled for a class, it was my dark shooting glasses. Naturally, there wasn't a cloud in the sky the whole time. Ended up wearing my driving glasses which are not nearly as comfy under muffs.

Also, don't forget to pack cleaning supplies. I prefer not to use the factory bottle, but stick with simple small unlabeled bottles stuck in with my toiletries so that there is no questioning about if product XYZ is allowed. Just be sure that YOU can tell what is in each bottle. (^_^)

Bring several bottles of sunscreen. I've really come to love the Bullfrog brand as it is not at all greasy when applied and the pump spray is allowed on airlines as well as being easy to apply. Also, be sure to pack along some of those "moist towels" in the little sealed packages. They do a great job cleaning your hands of sweat and grime that builds up. Also feels great on your neck.

If you have synthetic clothes, bring 'em. The most vital is synthetic socks. Goes a long way to keeping your feet comfy in the heat. I don't know about Front Sight's ranges, but most of the places I've been to in Texas and Arizona are a rough gravel and a light hiking boot is the best footware.

If anyone knows of a good source for light synthetic long-sleve t-shirts, I'd be happy to hear.

[JimConway]

After you have signed up for the class, they will send a list of what the recommend that you have. As I remember the list is:

A locked case for you guns on the airline
A gun and a spare (the same caliber is the best idea)
Holster - Strong side - straight drop (Comp-Tac or Blade-tech work best)
Mag pouches for 2 or 3 mags (I carry the rest in my pockets)
Mags (the more the better)
A Cleaning kit (1 for every 2 students should work)

Eye protection
Ear Protection (amplified is strongly recommended)
Ball cap (We should all be wearing a NEshooters cap)

Things to get at the local Walmart
Cheap styrofoam cooler (1 for every 2 students to keep lunches cold)
Sun Tan oil (you can get this at Front Sight also)
Ammo (you can get this at Front Sight also)

Clothing
it will be cool to chilly in the morning and quite warm at mid day.
Normally, I wear a flannel shirt over a polo shirt with a light jacket. That way I can remove layers as needed.

[JimConway]

I have listed the Front Sight skills test that is shot on the last day for those of you that are going with us next October.

SHOOTING (All shooting is from a concealed holster. Total shots 25.)

Description_______________Range_____Time (sec.)___Max Points
Controlled Pair..........................3m................1. 6...................10
Controlled Pair..........................5m................1. 8...................10
Controlled Pair..........................5m................1. 2...................10
(from the ready.)
Controlled Pair..........................7m................1. 9...................10
Controlled Pair..........................10m..............2.4 ...................10
Controlled Pair..........................15m..............2.7 ...................10
(Kneeling optional) performed twice
Controlled Pair followed.............7m........................... ...........30
by Untimed Head Shot (Performed twice)
Five Single Head Shots...............5m...............1.7 each...........25


RELOADS (Each reload performed twice)

Description______________Time (sec.)__________Max. Penalty
Emergency Reload...................2.2 (7.0 for revolver).........-6
Tactical Reload.........................4.5 (7.0 for revolver).........-6


MALFUNCTION CLEARANCES (Each procedure performed twice)

Description__________Time (sec.)___________Max Penalty
Type 1...............................1.2............... ...................-6
Type 2...............................1.4............... ...................-6
Type 3...............................5.5............... ...................-6

[JimConway]

The scoring for the test is as follows:
25 shots with a maximum score of 125
5 points for a hit in the occular or thoracic cavities
2 point for each hit in the appropriate body area

Distinguished Graduate = a score between 112 and 125
Graduate = a score between 87 and 111
Certificate of Achievement = a score of less than 87

[TonyDedo]

Thanks for the info, Jim. Could you give a little more detail how each of these tests are run? Are the shooting tests all run at the same time, or do you stop and setup between each test? How are the reload drills run? And with the malfunction drills, do you start with a known malfunction in your gun (like the way we trained), or do they induce a malfunction midway through the drill?

Thanks!

[JimConway]

The shooting tests are run one after another late on the last day. I should mention that should you have a MLF during the shooting part of the test, you will get a free untimed shot.
For the MALF tests, you set one up and then clear it. If you go over the time limit or do the clearance wrong, there is a 3 point penalty. All of the MALF clearances are diagnostic, which we have covered, but only briefly.
They do the type 3 (double feed) the old and sure way, so it would be a good thing to practice it a lot.
I am shooting on Sunday, come on up to WSC and I will run you through the procedures.

[TonyDedo]

They do the type 3 (double feed) the old and sure way, so it would be a good thing to practice it a lot.
I am shooting on Sunday, come on up to WSC and I will run you through the procedures.

Remind me, exactly what is the procedure for the "old and sure" way? IIRC, it involved racking the slide repeatedly until the jammed round falls out, but I forget the sequence. I prefer the strip/reload/rack method myself.

How late will you be at WSC on Sunday? I have to work at the bookstore until 5:00, so I wouldn't be able to make it up until 5:30.

[JimConway]

To set up a type 3, lock the slide back, put a round in the chamber, insert a loaded mag and ease the slide forward.

To clear a type 3, do the following
Point the gun and pull the trigger
The gun does not fire and the trigger feels like mush.
Look to see if it is a type 2 or a type 3
You will see "high Brass"
Lock the slide back
Strip out the mag
Rack the slide 3 times
Insert a new mag
Rack the slide
Point the gun, assess, and fire if necessary

[JimConway]

The course schedule for 2008 has been posted and we have selected a course starting on Friday, October 17, 2008 and ending on Monday October 20, 2008

Get ready

[M.Nastek]

Ok guys heres where the bullet meets the target.

Jim and I have picked the date in OCTOBER 2008. It is the 17th thru the 20th. We need to keep in touch and start planning as far ahead as we can to make this a success. Check your calendars and make piece with your wives etc. Jim and I have the course outline and skills test's that we can discuss. I would like to plan a get together some time over the winter to kick this off.

So lets talk and get things moving.

Mike N.

[Jaxon]

...

[Chris]

Great... Pick the one week that my son's birthday falls on...

This is going to cost me.

[JimConway]

Chris
You have been talking about getting some training for a while now.
You have to make a decision because there are others on the waiting list, hoping that you and others decide not to go.

[Chris]

I know. As soon as you posted the date, I informed my wife and we are looking at options. Her dad lives in Northern Arizona, so we might make it an extended trip with her staying there while I'm at class.

We just need to work this out.

[JimConway]

Crhis
It is about 4 hours to N Arizona from the airport in Las Vegas, so that would possible. However, we are going to have to charge you the family vacation rate for the trip.

[JackO]

Jim,
Would you email people on the list with the get together date for this winter or just post it here? I'm afraid to miss your post somehow [smile].

[JimConway]

Jacko and others planning to go to Frontsight
We would be pleased to send separate Email for the meeting, if we had your email addresses.
We will also post the meeting time, date and location on the forum

[M.Nastek]

As Jim C. stated we need to have firm commitments from all.
Those of you on the reserve list. Need to make yourselfs heard also.

I would like to see a hard list of commitments as soon, so those on standby/reserve can get a fair shot at attending and getting there afairs in order also.

please forward your contact data to us so we can keep a good record.

We will be renting vechicles 3-4 per car and hotel rooms that can be double occupancy, purchasing ammo, food coolers etc. So expenses can be minimixed and shared.
So lets buddy up and find some wingmen.

Jim C., Ken M. & Myself have committed our time to provide you all a great oppurtunity that Jim and I have experianced some 4 times in the he past 6 years.

Its a great 4 days of shooting, learning and yes bonding.

I look as us as being a TEAM one and all. Making this a success.

[TonyDedo]

There's one thing on my calendar past April, and that is this training. You have as firm of a commitment as possible from me. [smile]


As Jim C. stated we need to have firm commitments from all.
Those of you on the reserve list. Need to make yourselfs heard also.

I would like to see a hard list of commitments as soon, so those on standby/reserve can get a fair shot at attending and getting there afairs in order also.

please forward your contact data to us so we can keep a good record.

We will be renting vechicles 3-4 per car and hotel rooms that can be double occupancy, purchasing ammo, food coolers etc. So expenses can be minimixed and shared.
So lets buddy up and find some wingmen.

Jim C., Ken M. & Myself have committed our time to provide you all a great oppurtunity that Jim and I have experianced some 4 times in the he past 6 years.

Its a great 4 days of shooting, learning and yes bonding.

I look as us as being a TEAM one and all. Making this a success.

[swatmedic]

Jim and Mike: I just sent an email to Jim confirming my interest in this endeavor.
Thanks again for putting it together.

[flotter390]

I'm in!!!

Fred

[flotter390]

email - flotter390@hotmail.com

[JimConway]

I just spoke with Frontsight and they are willing to furnish some aditional free certificates for the class. I asked about an additional six certificates and they agreed they may be able to provide them. If you are on the waiting list you should be going and some others maybe also. We will have to see what number they actually come up with.

[Dman]

That's great news. I'm double checking my status, but I should still be able to attend.

Thanks again.


I just spoke with Frontsight and they are willing to furnish some aditional free certificates for the class. I asked about an additional six certificates and they agreed to provide them. If you are on the waiting list you should be going and some others also.

[M.Nastek]

Lets not loose sight of the big picture, We need the original 10-12 on the list to commit first.

Before there will be any additional seats placed out there to fill.

There has been no firm commitment from FRONTSITE yet.

So lets continue on the same path we were on.

If additional seats are available then Jim & I will work on fillling what is available.

So business as usual.

We placed 10-12 out there lets fill them and move forward.

Thanks for the interest and your commitment.

[JackO]

Mike,
Sent you my confirmation and contact info via email.

[dbhn]

Jim and Mike, just noticed that a few more seats may open up. If they do, and your list is not already filled, please add me and I will work on comitting. You are right, it is an offer you can't refuse. I regret not getting in when if first opened up...
-Derek

[JimConway]

I just edited message #26 to enter the names of those that have confirmed. Nine of the ten slots have been confirmed.

Dave Ritchie we have not heard from you yet

Flotter390 - All we have from you is your emal address. Please provide full contact info

[DR]

I just edited message #26 to enter the names of those that have confirmed. Nine of the ten slots have been confirmed.

Dave Ritchie we have not heard from you yet

Flotter390 - All we have from you is your emal address. Please provide full contact info

Jim,

I'm in. Do you still have my contact info or do you need me to resend it?

[JimConway]

Dave
If you could resend the full contact info, it would be apprciated.
Thanks

[M.Nastek]

Jim and I are scheduling a meeting for March 2008 to go over the "plan" for the event. The exact date will be posted shortly.
The location will be the Westford Sportsmans Club in Westford, MA

As a reminder you all will be required prior to our March meeting to have applied for and submitted your background check forms to Frontsite. They are on the Frontsite web site. Please take the time to download the form. The background check is a prerequsite for attending the course. They are good for 1 year from the date of confirmation.

Please mark to top of the application as follows "Neshooters, LLC Group for Jim Conway & Mike Nastek". This info will ensure that we are all in the same class

The base 10 seats are filled according to Jim so lets see what we can do to firm up the stand by list.

Thanks for the interest and support.

[JimConway]

The following course review of the "4 Day Defensive Handgun" Course was written by a good friend and a very good shooter. The course that he and his wife took was last week. This is the same that we will be attending. Enjoy

"Just briefly...Robin and I attended a 4 day defensive pistol class at Front Sight last weekend. A friend of ours has a level of membership that allows him to invite up to 39 others to his class once a year. We stayed in Vegas at a Hilton and commuted each day. It was grueling. One FULL hour each way.

Code of mental awaremeness...combat mindset...moral ethical decisions in shooting...problem 2 and 3 (criminal and civil liability)...Very well presented.

The range work began with dry practice from the holster to evaluate each student. Shooting followed shortly thereafter. All shooting was less than 15 meters and most was in the 3 - 10 range. "After action drills" began immediately trying to get the students to think about movement. It was pointed out that "movement" on the square range would be quite different from real life but that's the way it had to be. The key thing they wanted to make everyone think about was movement during and after shooting.

Turning targets were used to keep people moving along. Slow at first and speeding up toward the end. One really had to press the envelope toward the end of the week.

FS is a weaver school. They advocate weaver stance. They advocate a grip that has the firing hand thumb on the safety of a 1911 with the support hand thumb on top of it.

Malf drills. Type one, two, three and slide lock reloads were drilled. And drilled. And drilled. Performance of these clearances was part of your grade.

Concealment was added after the second day. All shooting drills and malf drills were handled from concealment. The school drills were a bunch of timed shots to body and head all shot from concealed. It was a challenge. 1.8 sec headshots from 5 yds. 2 second from 7 yards was my recollection of some of the times. About 500 rounds from concealed.

Once everyone was squared away with shooting tactics were discussed and a trip to the shoot houses for dry practice runs and live fire runs. Then to add stress they created a man on man shootout on falling/reactive steel. One four inch square hostage head shot to the side of the head of an IPSC-like steel hostage target. 10 yards or so. After you hit it you transition to a couple of falling steel targets at about 15 or 20 yards. Do it before the other guy and you win. We just kept going through the class until it was Robin, the light speed guy and me. Mr. Light speed beat Robin while they both shot it clean. And he beat me too while I shot it clean...except he nicked the hostage. Oops, he loses! Then they bring over the winner of the shooter in the other four day pistol class to take me on. I beat him with a clean run. Great fun and a good stress inducer for most folks.

The lightspeed gent has taken 30 class from FS and is an accomplished shooter. (Retired, well-to-do, gent) He had the fastest draw stroke I've ever seen. .5 from the holster from concealed with his Wilson Combat 1911 and shot accurately. 57 year old guy just smokin fast...it gives me hope since I turned 53 today!

One of the last lectures was called "The realities of the street." Actual school, office, restaurant security videos of vermin beating up and shooting people. It was one powerful message. Bad things happen. The INSTANT that something looks like it's heating up...is the time to flee or plan for an alternative. Have you all ever seen the video of the columbine scum shooting the kids in school and then blowing their heads of together? It will make you sick. There are bad people out there and you better realize it and be prepared...was the message.

Notable differences from things I've learned elsewhere.

1. When unloading. Chamber check first, drop mag, remove round in chamber, chamber check again. holster. Chamber check, mag check. All the time every time. If I'm going to unload I always assume there's a round in the chamber so why check? I drop the mag and remove the round, check the chamber. Nope, check the chamber first unload and check it after. I think it is to get the beginning student to constantly think about the gun as being loaded. For me, that's just needless manipulation.

2. Tac loads. The action is...drop the magazine into your support hand, mag into a spare pocket, remove a mag from the belt, insert mag. They have changed from the manipulation of two magazines in one hand. For the obvious reason to eliminate fumbling by those with small hands. I ran it conventionally and with their method and its pretty fast. That is...as long as you were wearing the right clothing. That was discussed too.

3. Type three malf clearance (double feed) for those CCW folks who don't carry an extra mag. When you identify the oops...move, lock, strip the mag and retain it between the small fingers of your firing hand, rack rack rack and reinsert the same mag. Par time I think was was 5.7 seconds. It's a great idea for me as I regularly carry with only one mag on me. I know, it's not good, it's just what has to be at times.

Overall I found the training to be good and the instructors to be competent and accomplished. (One gent just got back from a two year State Department Blackwater gig)

I've got to tell you that their "distinguished graduate" level of performance is quite challenging.

As for marketing...one lunchtime presentation on the membership.

While the range facilities are very nice, after 10 years of existence there is still no running water, no toilets, and no meals on site. I think it's difficult to call the place a "resort" with those basic amenities among the missing.

Ken"

[M.Nastek]

I hope that those of you who are attending Frontsight with us had the time to read this great review of the course. Ken is a well rounded shooter and has trained with the best there is out there so this assesment is a great review. Jim and I have already discussed it in length and are anticipating our return for the updated curriculum.

Also as posted we will be having a meeting in March of 2008 could you all get together and agree on a Sunday in March between 11 AM & 1PM(Off this thread) that works for all of you. Reserve list welcome also. When you have decided let Jim and I know.

When you all get the time check out there website for some of the data they offer. In preparation for the class.

Thanks,

Mike N.

[JimConway]

Three of you have been moved up from the waiting list to the list of those that are going to Front Sight.

At the March meeting, we will be asking all of those going to purchase a Neshooters ball cap for the princely sum of $15.00.
We have to make some money out of this give away.

We expect all of you to be wearing the Neshooters caps during the class.

If there are any of you that wanted to go and did not sign up because of the waiting list, now is the time to get onto the list, because the waiting list is very small. If all goes well, I would excect that most, if not all, of the current waiting list will be going and maybe some additional folks.

[JimConway]

The meeting that we mentioned for those going with us to Front Sight will be held at the Westford Sportsmen's Club in March 1, 2008If the weather is bad we will have the meeting the following Saturday on March 8, 2008.
All of you that are on the main list plus those on the waiting list should plan to attend this meeting. We plan to discuss the logistics of the trip and assign the Free Training Certiificates to those that plan to go.
We suggest that you bring the gear that you plan to use in the class. We will check your gear to ensure that it will work for the class. This way there will be plenty of time to get any additional gear that may be needed.

After all that is done, we plan to give you all a shooting primer on the range, so that you are all better prepared to ace the course.

[M.Nastek]

Just as a follow up to Jim's post. This meeting in my eye's is a prerequisite for attending the course. We would like to meet with all of you that are in the chosen 10-12 as well as those of you that are on the standby list. We are hoping that you all will make this get togeher a priority.

Jim and I look forward to meeting with you all.

Respectfully,

Mike N.

[Adam_MA]

NEShooters ROCKS!

[KMaurer]

Jim and I were just talking this morning and came up with another reason for all of you to attend the March meeting. While Nevada requires in-state training to get their CCW permit, they recognize the Utah permit. For those of you going with us who do not already have a Utah permit, I'll do the required Utah course. This will let you to get your Utah permit before the trip, thus allowing you to carry while you're there. The permit costs $65.25 for 5 years. Applications are currently taking about 60 days to process. You can download the application form here (http://www.bci.utah.gov/CFP/ccwapp.pdf).

Ken

[Dman]

Jim and I were just talking this morning and came up with another reason for all of you to attend the March meeting. While Nevada requires in-state training to get their CCW permit, they recognize the Utah permit. For those of you going with us who do not already have a Utah permit, I'll do the required Utah course. This will let you to get your Utah permit before the trip, thus allowing you to carry while you're there. The permit costs $65.25 for 5 years. Applications are currently taking about 60 days to process. You can download the application form here (http://www.bci.utah.gov/CFP/ccwapp.pdf).

Ken

I was looking forward to the meeting, but this now makes it even better.. Thanks.

[M.Nastek]

Those of you that have not responded to this meeting request. PLEASE contact us and commit to attending this pre trip meeting.

It is part of the package, and that includes the alternates. It will be well worth the time.

Great info, some shooting etc.

[JimConway]

Mike, Ken and I have discussed this meeting at length. So far we have heard from only half of you. Those of you that have not responded to out meeting invitation know who you are. If you still plan to go to Front Sight, you need to be at this meeting or, in rare special cases, make other arrangements with us to get the info.

Please note that if we have not heard from you and you are not at the March meeting, we will drop you from the list. There are others that want to go if you do not or can not go with us to front Sight

[Rob Boudrie]

Ken does a great job with his UT course and is easy to deal with. I suggest those interested get the UT paperwork before MA runs out of instructors, as they will be required to travel to UT for instructor certification renewal training - and I doubt many will make the trip.

[Marcus in the Darkus]

Wow, I'm glad I dug up this thread and checked in. I'm still in for the Front Sight trip in October and I will attend the March meeting. I will also have a NEShooters ball cap on my noggin.

Thanks. Looking forward to meeting you.

[JimConway]

Here is where we will be staying

The Best western which is across the street from the Saddle west
http://book.bestwestern.com/bestwestern/propertyEBrochure.do?propertyCode=29078

The rate for 4 nights is approx. $76.00 per night

[swatmedic]

I love the local info

47 mile(s) from Bonnie Springs Ranch, children's petting and feeding zoo, adventure into the old west, live shoot-outs and hangings

[swatmedic]

It looks like they have a AAA rate that comes down to $63.74/night

[JimConway]

There is a lot of other things that are not shown. Some of them could be considered to be XXX rated

[JimConway]

It appears that we have either 1 or 2 more free seats for the Front Sight trip.
Is there anyone else that want to play with guns in Nevada.

Please send me an Email at jim@neshooters.com, if you want to go.

[M.Nastek]

As Jim has stated we have 1-2 more openings. I you are interested please get in touch with us ASAP. And put March 1st on your calendar. We will be finalizing the agenda and having some informative discussions at the meeting as well as the UTAH course and some firearms use following.

Looking forward to seeing you there............

[JimConway]

Our meeting on Saturday March 1st

9:30 AM Sharp Meet and Greet etc.

And what is the time line agenda.

Front Sight Briefing and Gear Inspection 10AM – 11:30 AM

UTAH Carry course 11:30 – 12:30 PM

Range Time 1:00 – 3:00 PM

[Arcticelf]

Jim,
I'm interested in going, as is my Fiancee (she'll be my wife by the time of the trip). An email has been sent.

Thanks,
AE

[JackO]

As a reminder you all will be required prior to our March meeting to have applied for and submitted your background check forms to Frontsite. They are on the Frontsite web site. Please take the time to download the form. The background check is a prerequsite for attending the course. They are good for 1 year from the date of confirmation.

Please mark to top of the application as follows "Neshooters, LLC Group for Jim Conway & Mike Nastek". This info will ensure that we are all in the same class


Where is the background check application on the Frontsight web site? Do they have a special application for background check only? All I can find is their application for a class, this one does have a background check on it:
http://www.frontsight.com/pdf/710211122.pdf
Can we use it for background check only?

As I understand, to send them an application for the class we have to supply a certificate with it. We don't have these certificates yet, so how can we send the application to Frontsight prior to the March 1st meeting?

[JimConway]

You guys are driving me crazy, okay, crazier.

I suggest that you wait until the March 1 meeting and we will go over all of that.
If you want to do it now, be sure to select tha application called "If you're paying with a Front Sight Certificate"

You must mail this application in with the certificate.

Be sure to mark the application "For the Neshooters class sponsored by Jim Conway and Mike Nastek"

[JackO]

Jim,
I apologize for my question above. I didn't intent to drive you crazy. I was just trying to follow Mike's instructions that we have to submit the background check PRIOR to March 1st meeting.

[Chris]

Well, I'm still holding out hope that the long range forecast for March 1 holds.

GOAL's annual meeting is on March 1 as well. IF, however, the rain/snow predicted does move this meeting to the 8th, I won't have to make a choice. And frankly, my obligations to GOAL would likely mean I would skip this one if push came to shove.

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. (if anyone remembers last year's GOAL meeting in Marlborough, we had a ton of snow that day too)

[Dman]

Well, I'm still holding out hope that the long range forecast for March 1 holds.

GOAL's annual meeting is on March 1 as well. IF, however, the rain/snow predicted does move this meeting to the 8th, I won't have to make a choice. And frankly, my obligations to GOAL would likely mean I would skip this one if push came to shove.

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. (if anyone remembers last year's GOAL meeting in Marlborough, we had a ton of snow that day too)

Sorry Chris, but I'm crossing my fingers for the day to be perfect since I delayed my biz trip just so I could attend on the 1st... :)

[JimConway]

Kem Maurer and I spoke this morning about the cost of the UTAH CCW course for those of you that are going to Front Sight. We have decided that (please be sure that you are sitting down) the UTAH CCW course will cost $10.00 each.

[Chris]

Hmm, we'll see what happens.

[M.Nastek]

THE MOMENT IS UPON US. SATURDAY IS NEAR. I HOPE EVERYONE IS PREPARED FOR OUR GET TOGETHER 1 MARCH @ 9:30 AM SHARP.

PLEASE PLAN YOUR TRAVEL ACCORDINGLY WEATHER IS TYPICAL NEW ENGLAND. BRING AN OPEN MIND AND SOME AMMO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHOT AFTER THE UTAH COURSE.

SEE YOU ALL IN THE AM SATURDAY MORNING.

WE ARE GOOD TO GO??/

[swatmedic]

I am good to go.

[jar]

I'm looking forward to it.

[JackO]

Will see you guys tomorrow morning at the club 9:30 sharp.

[jar]

What are the plans as far as dealing with the weather? I only live a few miles from the club, but a big snowstorm could be a big pain for those driving farther.

[JimConway]

It is the policy of Neshooters not to cancel classes on account of weather. We also do not cancel because a class is too small. If a class is announced, it will be held even if there is only one paying student.

[jar]

In a previous post, you mentioned a march 8th backup date in case of weather. I'd rather it go ahead tomorrow as I have a match on the 8th, but I wondered what the plan was as far as notification of a postponement.

[JimConway]

The March 8 date is not available at WSC.

[KMaurer]

For those who haven't been to the club previously, you can use "80 West St, Westford, MA 01886" in Google Maps and your GPS to get directions.

Ken

[M.Nastek]

As Jim said we do not cancel or reschedule.

WE are New Englanders and this is our life style.

See you all there. With guns on and spare ammo.

[derek]

As Jim said we do not cancel or reschedule.

WE are New Englanders and this is our life style.

See you all there. With guns on and spare ammo.

+1 The worse the weather the better the training. [wink]

[KMaurer]

+1 The worse the weather the better the training. [wink]

Or as the Gunny used to say, the more you sweat today, the less you bleed tomorrow.

Ken

[jar]

Or, as frontsight's website says, 'combat conditions at no extra charge.'

[M.Nastek]

Thank You all for showing up today for our kick off meeting. It was great meeting you all. All we have to do now is some fine tuning and fiqure out who is doubling up etc. and get out there and throw some rounds down range.

Thank you one and all.

[Adam_MA]

Thank you one and all.

NO! Thank YOU guys. This opportunity you are giving us is fantastic, and I can't wait to get out there!

[swatmedic]

My completed app went out in today's mail.

[jar]

Anybody looking for a roommate and to share a car? I'm planning to spend the week before in Vegas, so I could get the car ahead of time and pick you up at the airport. I also would be happy to split a room in Vegas if anyone else is going out early.

[JimConway]

Guys
The following is the info that I got from the hotel where I suggest that we all stay.

"Hi Jim,

I did get the information.

The rate is $45 + tax week / $65 + tax weekend / this includes a the free breakfast buffet which can be used for ordering off the menu also.

We also can do box lunches if you would like but that those will be extra.

I have held 15 rooms (standard, 2 queens in each room for you)

I will have pricing on the box lunches by tomorrow.


Thanks,

Wanda"


The phone number for reservations is 800-433-3987.
When you call, please tell them that you are one of the Neshooters group

[JimConway]

Try to pick a flight that arrives in the early afternoon
I will be on a non stop flight, as follows:

Depart Oct 16 Thu Nonstop MHT-LAS 644 Depart Manchester (MHT) at 11:15 AM
Arrive in Las Vegas (LAS) at 2:05 PM

Return Oct 22 Wed 1 LAS-MHT 2097 Depart Las Vegas (LAS) at 10:00 AM
Arrive in Manchester (MHT) at 7:15 PM

It will be a lot easier if most of you try to book the same flight going to Las Vegas

[goingback5]

My wifes a travel agent and she can get you guys some good rates. i can have her shoot you some quotes if you give me specs.

[M.Nastek]

All attendee's please answer the roll call thread.

With your status report.

[Dman]

Hotel booked and confirmation email from Frontsite.

[JimConway]

Effective Oct 1, 2007

In accordance with Senate Bill 237 passed by the 2007 Nevada Legislature the State of Nevada will recognize the following States' CCW permit holders:

Alaska
Arkansas
Florida (added January 3, 2008)
Kansas
Louisiana
Michigan (added May 9, 2008)
Missouri
Nebraska
Tennessee
Utah

This law allows holders of valid permits from these states to carry a concealed weapon while in the State of Nevada. The permit must be in the possession of the issuee at all times while carrying a firearm.



CCW Prohibited Locations defined by NRS 202.3673


Any facility of a law enforcement agency.

A prison, city or county jail, or detention facility.

A courthouse or courtroom.

A public airport and/or a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.

A public building that has a metal detector at each public entrance.

A public building that has a sign posted at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building.

Any facility of a public or private school without written permission.

Any facility of a vocational/technical school, or the University of Nevada, or Community College System without written permission.


Any other place where carrying a concealed firearm is prohibited by state or federal law.

The above provisions do not apply to a judge in the courthouse or courtroom he presides or employees with his authorization. They are also not applicable to the employee's of the above facilities. Violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

http://www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/Special/CCW_CHANGE.shtml



Department of Public Safety
Records and Technology Division
333 W. Nye Lane Suite 100
Carson City, NV 89706
(775)684-6262

[M.Nastek]

Roll Call for all those attending Front Sight.

If you want me to pick up your ammo then please contact me.

Cell# 978-815-1764
MNastek@Comcast.net

Or you can and should contact the Super Walmart in Pahrump, NV ASAP and place your order and you can pay and pick it up when you get into town on Thursday. You will need 600 rounds minimum each for the course. So buddy up and split up 2 cases for each 3 students.

Mike Nastek Your Host

[KMaurer]

Mike,

Confirm that I'll need 9mm. Thanks.

Ken

[jar]

I'll need 9x19 too. Also, the FS website says 800 rounds, not 600.

[JimConway]

Yes the FS web site does say 800 rounds
The 800 number is correct for returning students like Mike and I, because we will be shooting while the first timers are attending lectures. Our experience has shown the 600 will be close to right for you. You do not want to have much ammo left over because of the airline rules on how much you can have on the plane. If you think that you are going to be light on the last day you can always get more either at Walmarts or at Frontsight.
Remember that Mike needs you ammo money 2 weeks before we go.

Mike will be at the WOT class at Westford on Saturday and can be persuaded to take your money

[Marcus in the Darkus]

I'm going to need some 9mm also.

[M.Nastek]

I will be placing the ammo order this OCT 1st and wil be posting the cost of the transaction as it relates to the ammo purchased.

The final purchase list is as follows:

13 Shooters as listed below.

Jim C. 800 RDS .45
Mike N 800 RDS .45
Doug R 600 RDS .45
Mike E. 600 RDS .45
Chris R 600 RDS .45
3,400 RDS .45

**** I Ordered 3.5 Cases of .45 Caliber ( 100 rounds on reserve )

Ken M. 600 RDS 9MM
Denise D. 800 RDS 9MM
Bob M. 600 RDS 9 MM
Sean C. 600 RDS 9 MM
Andy D. 600 RDS 9 MM
Yakov O. 600 RDS 9 MM
Jake S. 600 RDS 9 MM
Mark W. 600 RDS 9 MM
Jeff R. 600 RDS 9 MM
5,600 RDS 9 MM

**** I Ordered 6 Cases of 9 MM ( 400 rounds on reserve )

As per todays ( 10/01/08 ) cost in Pahrump, NV

Winchester White Box.

45 Cal $318.97 per 1000 RD case inc sales tax. ($31.97 per 100 RDS)
9MM $213.47 per 1000 RD case inc sales tax. ($21.35 per 100 RDS)

*****Actual cost will be applied at time of purchase.*****

*****Payment will be expected upon your arrival for the course.*****

Distribution will happen at the Saddle West Thursday afternoon when you all arrive.

Cash is appreciated!!!!! (Expected)

Talk to you soon.

Mike N.

[JackO]

Mike,
Please add:
600 RDS 9mm for JackO
600 RDS 9mm for Aebella13

Edit: Mike, your email does not work:
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<mnastek@neshooters.com>
(reason: 550 unknown user <mnastek@neshooters.com>)

[eisenhow]

Edit: Mike, your email does not work:
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<mnastek@neshooters.com>
(reason: 550 unknown user <mnastek@neshooters.com>)

His e-mail is listed as mike@neshooters.com on their website. Have fun at frontsight folks.

[M.Nastek]

Nice catch.... Too many e mail accounts:

mike@neshooters.com
mnastek@comcast.net

Please send me an E mail and I will add your ammo to the purchase.

Thanks,

Mike Nastek

[Marcus in the Darkus]

Mike, please put me in for 600 rounds of 9mm. Thanks.

[Marcus in the Darkus]

As I'm starting to get all my ducks in a row, I contacted Front Sight to make sure the application for instruction I did a while ago was in their system. It wasn't. I was told it needs to be submitted at least two weeks before the class starts. According to their web sight, the certificates also need to be in two weeks before the class starts. That means the certificates and the applications need to be there by Friday AM.

I'll have a FedEx package going out tomorrow.

[M.Nastek]

Ammo buy is in as of OCTOBER 1st.

So if you have missed the AMMO boat then you can call Super Walmart in Pahrump, NV.

Phone # 1-775-537-1400

SEE YOU THERE!!!!!!!!!!

[M.Nastek]

If you responded to my thread than your ammo is reserved and I will have it at the Hotel when you all arrive.

See You in Pahrump, NV*****************

[crak]

As I'm starting to get all my ducks in a row, I contacted Front Sight to make sure the application for instruction I did a while ago was in their system. It wasn't. I was told it needs to be submitted at least two weeks before the class starts. According to their web sight, the certificates also need to be in two weeks before the class starts. That means the certificates and the applications need to be there by Friday AM.

I'll have a FedEx package going out tomorrow.

Yikes.

We should all do this. I know I will be in the morning. (I haven't heard anything from them since sending mine application and certificate in)

[jar]

They sent out an email when they confirmed my paperwork. Mine got trapped by my spam filter, but I found it eventually.

[M.Nastek]

To those of you joining NEShooters on our trip. I hope all is well and your putting your gear together and you are looking forward to this trip as much as Jim & I. Please check the bagage restrictions and limitations on your airline prior to your flights. I recommend that you print off the guidelines for traveling with a firearm(s) relative to the airline that you are traveling on and have it ready if needed for your Attendant/TSA at check in.

I will have your ammo for you at the hotel when you check in.
So we can clear that matter up ounce you get settled.

See you in a week + 2.

Mike Nastek

[JimConway]

"Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: SADDLE WEST HOTEL AND CASINO UPDATE 09/09/2008

________________________________________
The www.saddlewest.com is now under new management and that is good news for Front Sight students and members.

They now offer new room rates and allow firearms in the room as long as you sign the waiver.

They have a box lunch and disposable coolers for a 2.00 discount as well. "

This is recent from Jon at FrontSight. It looks like we are golden

[Marcus in the Darkus]

Jim, would it be possible to send an email to the entire group with a list of attendees and their email addresses? I have a list from some emails back in April, but I believe it's incomplete.

Based on Mike's ammo buy post edite 10/2, it looks like we have the following:

.45 folks
Jim C.
Mike N.
Doug R.
Mike E.
Chris R.

9mm folks
Ken M.
Denise D.
Bob M.
Sean C.
Andy D.
Yakov O.
Jake S.
Mark W.
Jeff R.

I wanted to send an email to the group to inquire about the following:

1) I wanted to see who else is on the same flights as I am and if they are interested in sharing travel to/from MHT. I depart MHT on Oct. 16 at 11:15 am and return to MHT on October 21 at 6:50 pm.

2) I have a car reserved in Las Vegas and wanted to see if anyone wants to share the car/expenses. I believe Jeff R. is already in with me on the car.

[JimConway]

We no longer have all of the email addresses. I suggest that you post here on the forum

[crak]

I'd let someone in on my car free if they just helped wake me up [smile]

[Dman]

I have a car as well.. My flight details.

US Airways 179
Depart: Boston Logan International (BOS) Thursday, October 16, 2008 05:55 PM EDT
Arrive: Las Vegas Mccarran Intl (LAS) Thursday, October 16, 2008 08:47 PM PDT

Departing

US Airways 67
Depart: Las Vegas Mccarran Intl (LAS) Tuesday, October 21, 2008 07:25 AM PDT
Arrive: Boston Logan International (BOS) Tuesday, October 21, 2008 03:28 PM EDT

[jar]

US Airways 179 5:55 PM 10 Oct 2008 Boston, MA 8:47 PM 10 Oct 2008 Las Vegas, NV
US Airways 882 12:18 PM 21 Oct 2008 Las Vegas, NV 8:28 PM 21 Oct 2008 Boston, MA

I'm planning on sharing Mark's car. I might try to catch a ride back to McCarran with someone else to get some more sleep. Glad to see that no one is shooting 40 S&W.

[jar]

Is anyone planning to go from the Saddle West to McCarran to catch a noon-ish flight on Tuesday? If so, I'd love to get a ride since Mark is planning to spend Monday night in Vegas.

[KMaurer]

I'm flying in to and out of Los Angeles in order to visit family afterward. I'll be driving up to Pahrump on Thursday and returning Tuesday morning. I can drop you off at McCarran, since it's not really out of the way.

Ken

[jar]

Awesome, thanks Ken.

[YogSothoth]

I'm flying out of Manchester on the 16th on Southwest at 11:15am and returning on the 21st. I have a 10:00am flight on the 21st and have rented a car as well, so I can assist as well if necessary.

Mike Emler

[jar]

A list of names an addresses of gun owners really shouldn't be posted on a public forum.

[KMaurer]

Point well taken. I just E-mailed a copy to everybody I had on the original list, plus a couple of corrections and additions. If you don't get a copy, then I probably don't have your correct address, which means that nobody else looking at the list has it either. PM me and I'll correct it.

Ken

[Marcus in the Darkus]

I'm flying out of Manchester on the 16th on Southwest at 11:15am and returning on the 21st. I have a 10:00am flight on the 21st and have rented a car as well, so I can assist as well if necessary.

Mike Emler

Mike, your travel schedule is the same as mine. I'm going to send an email to the list that ken just sent us, as I'd like to see if anyone is interested in sharing a ride to/from and parking at MHT. Please respond via email if you want to share the travel and parking costs at MHT.

Thanks.

[Marcus in the Darkus]

OK, now that I tried to do that, it looks like Mike's name isn't on the list that Ken sent out. Mike, please respond via PM if you're interested in sharing a ride. Thanks.

[Jasper]

oh man, i definitely missed one hell of an opportunity with this one! (oh why oh why did i wait!)

[M.Nastek]

THE FOLLOWING IS THE COST OF THE AMMO AS PER YESTERDAYS PURCHASE HERE IN LAS VEGAS.

WINCHESTER WHITE BOX 100 COUNT ALL AMMO

9 MM 19.97 PER BOX @ 6 BOX'S = $119.82 PLUS SALES TAX OF 7.75% $9.30
TOTAL OF $129.12 OWED

KEN M.
BOB M.
SEAN C.
ANDY D.
JEFF R.
YAKOV O.
JAKE S.
MARK W.

.45 CAL $ 29.88 PER BOX @ 6 BOX'S = $ 179.88 PLUS SALES TAX OF 7.75% $ 13.90
TOTAL OF $ 193.18 OWED.

DOUG R.
CHRIS R.
MIKE E.

PLEASE HAVE YOUR CASH READY FOR YOUR TRANSFER AT THE SADDLEWEST.

TIPS ARE WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!![rofl]

MIKE IN LAS VEGAS.

[swatmedic]

Thanks for picking that up Mike. I will see you Thursday

[JackO]

Mike, thanks a lot for all your hard work.
See you at Saddle West tomorrow.

[JimConway]

We appreciate all of your kind words.

[Dman]

Looking forward to this trip. See you guys tomorrow or Friday.

What time does the class start on Friday morning?

[M.Nastek]

It was an adventure and a memorable time.

So as they say >>>>>>>>>>>

DRY FIRE DRILL......... UNLOAD......... AND...... MAKE SAFE YOUR WEAPONS.

THIS THREAD IS COMPLETE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL AT:

"THE SUMMIT OF AN ARMED SOCIETY" ON JANUARY 31 ST AND FEBUARY 1ST.

YOU WILL BE ENLIGHTENED BY 10 NOTED INSTRUCTORS.

SEE YOU THERE.

MIKE NASTEK