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The Liberty Training Rifle

This is a discussion on The Liberty Training Rifle within the Appleseed Rifle Training forums, part of the Training category; Well, I know that this is a cross-post, but I feel that it belongs here in the Appleseed forum as ...

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    Default The Liberty Training Rifle (first post modified 10/8/2011)

    Well, I know that this is a cross-post, but I feel that it belongs here in the Appleseed forum as well as in JonJ's 10/22 Goodness thread. (Please don't send me to the Outer Darkness with Capt Walt and Jellyfish for cross-posting!)

    This is excerpted from Nickle's post on building a Liberty Training Rifle out of a Ruger 10/22 from www.appleseedinfo.org from this thread with some modifications by me after building several of these things and seeing how they perform in the real world.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Well, here's what I did (or will do, in the case of a couple items), the cost of the items, and this is a decent priced, working setup. All prices are retail. They are not special or sale prices, nor are they group buy prices. These are 24/7/365 retail prices.

    First, I started with Ruger 10/22 Carbines.

    Add Tech Sights.
    http://www.tech-sights.com/ruger3.htm $59.00
    Add DPMS Rapidex knob, for ease of adjusting (optional but highly recommended).
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=353544 $7.99

    Install sling swivels studs, detachable swivels and a USGI M1 Garand type sling.
    Stud & swivel set: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=705310 $9.49
    Sling: http://www.appleseedstore.flyingcart...id=10&cat_id=0 $12.49.

    These can be substituted if you can't find the Uncle Mike's above:
    Studs: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=366960 $2.49
    Swivels: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=156955 $9.99

    Add extended mag release (not needed if you have the polymer trigger group 10/22)
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=662086 $6.99

    Replace bolt release and hammer (or rework existing ones). I reworked mine. Not for the inexperienced. Note that the polymer trigger group has a different hammer (maybe the sear, too - not sure) and please double-check to be sure that you're ordering the right parts!
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=145851 $44.99
    If you're happy with your trigger, then at the very least replace the bolt release (or rework yours. It's not very hard - Ross)
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...tnumber=688102 10.99 (this is one of the BEST things you can do to your 10/22!)

    Add a BoreSnake, sight adjusting tool and spare mags.
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=260083 $15.99
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=260328 $9.29
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=252579 $13.99 each. I recommend at LEAST 4 of them as Ruger is only shipping one mag with the rifles now.
    My comments after dozens way too many Appleseed Shoots and building 6 LTRs:

    1: You want FIVE 10-round mags total. Not two 25 rounders (they get in the way when you're shooting prone, as do the back-to-back magazine clips) but 5 10 rounders. 'Cause Northeastern Appleseed Instructors are, by and large, HUGE believers in the 40-shot rapid fire AQT - 40 rounds in 4 minutes. You do NOT have time to reload mags during that. Plus, the fifth mag is VERY useful if you have a malfunction of any sort - you don't have to fumble with reloading a mag when that 4 minute time limit is bearing down on you. You've got extra rounds right there.

    2: there is a TON of good information on working on the 10/22 action on www.rimfirecentral.com. Info on how to lighten up the trigger yourself, info on how to make your own auto bolt release, etc. Use that site; it's a great reference.

    3: You can find lots of cheap factory parts for the 10/22 on eBay. People buy new barrels, stocks, etc, and their first thought is "Gee, let me sell it!". That's to your benefit. I picked up a stock in good shape for about $30 total so I could experiment on cutting it down for a shorter length of pull since I'm a short guy. Worked great, and if I'd screwed it up, I could just have put my old stock back on; no harm, no foul.

    4: Shooter's Ridge QD sling swivels suck; they do not hold up under usage. Use Uncle Mike's swivels instead - they are much more sturdy.The Outdoor Connection Talon are OK but I'm not terribly enamored of the squared off rings.They do, however, hold up far better than the Shooter's Ridge crap.

    5: Volquartsen Exact Edge extractors are a Good Thing - about 700 rounds through two LTRs now, and NO more stovepipes. - update - another several hundred rounds downrange and NO stovepipes. For $11.29, this is the BEST thing you can do to cure your extraction woes. (and it's on sale for $9.99 until 10/31/2011, too)

    6: Carry a large screwdriver to keep your action take down screw tight, a small one to keep your Tech-Sights rear sight tight, a 5/64" Allen wrench to keep your front sight tight, and a 9/64" Allen wrench to take your mags apart if you need to clean them.

    7: The Rapidex adjusting knob is worthwhile; just be aware you'll need a fine pin-punch to remove the old wheel and install the knob. And the recent production Tech-Sights seem to have that pin in there TIGHT.


    Prices and links updated on 10/8/2011 - I note that the price of a lot of this stuff has gone up. Volquartsen seems to have had a major price increase.
    Last edited by dwarven1; 10-08-2011 at 11:52 AM. Reason: changed my mind about recommending Talon swivels
    "When I see how few who talked so largely of death and honour are around me, and that those who are here are those whom it was least expected, I am lost in wonder and surprise. Your noisy Sons of Liberty are, I find, the very quietest in the field. An engagement or even the expectation of one gives a wonderful insight into character."
    - Colonel Joseph Reed, aide to General George Washington, 1776


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    Got a scope mount/setup that can be used with the tech-sights? My GF uses the 10/22 and she needs the scope; and I hate taking it off and putting it back on...any suggestions?

    Your links to midway have '...'s in them and don't work.

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    Here's what I did:

    Got a Weaver K7 (it's an adjustable 2.5x7 scope) off of eBay for about $70 or so, and got a Weaver mount and rings.

    Now, I've just decided that I'm not happy with the eye relief on it, so I'm thinking of getting a Power Custom scope mount, which looks a bit longer from what I see in the Brownells catalog.

    Nickle recommends getting one of the older Weaver 1" scopes with the all-steel tube. I have to say, it's much nicer than my old cheap Tasco!
    "When I see how few who talked so largely of death and honour are around me, and that those who are here are those whom it was least expected, I am lost in wonder and surprise. Your noisy Sons of Liberty are, I find, the very quietest in the field. An engagement or even the expectation of one gives a wonderful insight into character."
    - Colonel Joseph Reed, aide to General George Washington, 1776


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    The midway links seem to be broken for me...

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    Fixed 'em. Thanks for the heads-up, Nick.
    "When I see how few who talked so largely of death and honour are around me, and that those who are here are those whom it was least expected, I am lost in wonder and surprise. Your noisy Sons of Liberty are, I find, the very quietest in the field. An engagement or even the expectation of one gives a wonderful insight into character."
    - Colonel Joseph Reed, aide to General George Washington, 1776


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    Darn you Ross! Now I have another project to work on?

    I'm gonna knick-name you "C-pher Jr.".

    Frosty

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    FYI, since the bolt release and hammer are often back ordered, you can pick up the bolt release only as a separate item.

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    There is a thread on www.rimfirecentral.com on how to make the auto bolt release by modifying your stock one. Look in the 10/22 action forum at the top sticky - you'll find a link with pictures there. It's not hard; all you need is a Dremel tool with a small grinding wheel.

    And Frosty? Just you wait... I have't offered to start up a Tech-Sights group buy yet!
    "When I see how few who talked so largely of death and honour are around me, and that those who are here are those whom it was least expected, I am lost in wonder and surprise. Your noisy Sons of Liberty are, I find, the very quietest in the field. An engagement or even the expectation of one gives a wonderful insight into character."
    - Colonel Joseph Reed, aide to General George Washington, 1776


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    Quote Originally Posted by dwarven1 View Post
    I have't offered to start up a Tech-Sights group buy yet!
    Good thing I haven't ordered them yet.
    'PUGNA PRO PATRIA'

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJ View Post
    Good thing I haven't ordered them yet.
    I did today.

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